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why pandyas lost to kafur
Some info on northern tamilnadu during the time of the 2 Pandyans and the muslim invasions: After freeing from the Pandyan control(in 1306 AD) and becoming independent ruler, Ekambaranatha Sambuvaraya witnessed the invasion of Malik Kafur in 131…
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September 2011
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why pandyas lost to kafur
One reason is the Pandyans have gone weak.During the time of Maravarman Kulasekara Pandya (the father of the 2 quarelling Pandyas) the empire was not powerful. one proof :A Sambuvaraya feudatory ruler Ekambaranatha Sambuvarayar who was ruling porti…
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September 2011
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Chola descendants - Proof from Vijayanagar literature
The Sambuvarayars of Tondaimandalam were NOT the descendants of Val Vil Ori. They were the descendants of Oymans of Kidangal(in Tindivanam area). Oymans of Kidangal were ancient rulers. Oyman Nalliyangodan was the noted ruler of Oymans.The other ru…
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shed_naresh200
July 2011
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Chola descendants - Proof from Vijayanagar literature
One more book. Silai Ezhubathu written by Kambar.The book was written in praise of the Vanniyars.Seek the above mentioned book with explanation. (moolamum uraiyum)
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shed_naresh200
July 2011
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Chola descendants - Proof from Vijayanagar literature
Mr.Karthik, Also try to find a book written by Mr.Rasamanickanar.I dont remember the title exactly but its like this "Pathu paatil kuripitappadum mannar muthalaanoor" Mr.Rasamanickanar gives info to consider who were the present day desc…
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shed_naresh200
July 2011
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Chola descendants - Proof from Vijayanagar literature
Dear Mr.Karthik, Try to find and read these books: 1.Ariyalur Varalaaru andrum inrum 2.varalaatril Pennagadam 3.Sambuvarayar Varalaaru by Prof.L.Thiyagarajan & Prof.Thangavelu 4.Aristocratic families of South India by Vadivelu I read the…
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shed_naresh200
July 2011
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Chola descendants - Proof from Vijayanagar literature
Possibilities are there for considering the "Kachirapalayam" in Villupuram district was once under the control of the Kachirayars of Mukasa Parur. The Kachirayar families in T.pazhur area must be the descendants of the Vilandai kachiraya…
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shed_naresh200
July 2011
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Chola descendants - Proof from Vijayanagar literature
Mr.Karthik, Thank you very much for your reply.Regarding Kachirayars there are lot more for us to know.There is a catholic chruch in a small village called Konankuppam near vridachalam.The chruch was built by Veeramamunivar the well know tamil scho…
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shed_naresh200
July 2011
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Chola descendants - Proof from Vijayanagar literature
Mr.Karthi, There are 2 more kachirayar clans.One is the Kachirayar of mukasa parur. mukasa paur is located near Vridachalam in south arcot district. Among all kachirayars the parur kachirayars were known to be powerful.According to inscriptions kac…
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July 2011
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Jainism and Buddism
Dear Mr.Sivapathasekaran, Please have a look at my post regarding the Kadavarayas posted on June 2 (Msg No.24010).Hope it might be useful to you.
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shed_naresh200
June 2008
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Jainism and Buddism
Dear Mr.Venkatesh, As you have mentioned its always surprising when we hear about some dynasties which vanish completely from the political scene like the Cholas. What i feel is they might have become feudatory rulers under the Pandiyas.There …
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June 2008
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Jainism and Buddism
Sir, There are possibilities for the Mutharayars to be the descendants of the Kalabhras.But Sambuvarayars of Tondaimandalam are not of Kalabhra origin.The first known Sambuvaraya chieftain is identified as a descendant of Oymans.The oymans(a…
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shed_naresh200
June 2008
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Bravery of Indians/Tamils.
KADAVARAYARS They claim to be the descendants of the Pallavas and hence known as Kadavas. The relationship of the Kadavas to the main line of the Pallavas is revealed by an inscription found in the Vaikuntha Perumal Temple in Conjeevaram ( South…
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shed_naresh200
June 2008
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changes in the cholas
Dear Mr.Venkatesh, I think telugu might be the court language of the eastern Chalukyas.Western(Badami)Chalukyas language was Kannada.
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shed_naresh200
February 2008
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Descendent of the Great Chola Dynasty :: Kulotunga I
KULOTHUNGA CHOLA 1 Kulothunga Chola 1 is partly eastern Chalukya also known as Vengi Chalukyas The first ruler of the Vengi Chalukya dynasty is Kubja Vishnuvardana (624 AD to 641AD) The 23rd ruler of this dynasty was Vimaladitya (1011 AD to 1018…
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shed_naresh200
February 2008
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Kollarama temple
Interesting info.Happy to know that Chozha inscription in Kolar still exists.Dear friends do we loose inscriptions and other details due to the setting up of granite quarries and forming new residential areas?Please share your opinion.
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shed_naresh200
February 2008
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Karikal Cholan ruled TN before Nedunchezhiyan
Dear Mr.venkatesh, Is the lake you mentioned the "Cholagangam" constructed by Rajendra Chola 1? I think the canal system must be constructed at a much later stage.
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shed_naresh200
February 2008
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Karikal Cholan ruled TN before Nedunchezhiyan
There is also another zamin family-The zamin family of Alakapuri.They were relatives of the Zamindars of Sivagiri.They had names like Kattari Pandiyar,chidambara Pandiyar etc.Another one relative of the Sivagiri Zamindars were the Zamin family of …
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shed_naresh200
February 2008
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Karikal Cholan ruled TN before Nedunchezhiyan
Dear Mr.venkatswaran kasirajan and Mr.venkatesh, I am not from a southern district and i don't know even one person from these districts.Before taking the next step we have to get the advise of the histor…
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shed_naresh200
February 2008
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Karikal Cholan ruled TN before Nedunchezhiyan
Dear Mr.venkateswaran Kasirajan, I am a new member here and i found your post(feb 22,2006) about the Pandiyas.I heard that Mr.Sadasiva Pandarathar traced the Pandiyan descendents and unfortunately he passed away be…
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shed_naresh200
February 2008
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interesting read - the antecedants of RRc from his mothers side ( vanavan ma
Dear Mr.Sivapathasekaran, While viewing your post i had a thought.You mentioned Kadayezhu vallals.So is there possibilies for Muthal yezhu and idai yezhu vallals?Is there any ways to know about them?
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shed_naresh200
February 2008
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interesting read - the antecedants of RRc from his mothers side ( vanavan ma
Dear Mr.Ravi, I have that interest too.But for that we have to discuss about each one malayaman,Pazhuvettarayar etc.We'll go slow.But what i can say for sure is the descendents of these personalities are not very rude or violen…
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shed_naresh200
February 2008
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interesting read - the antecedants of RRc from his mothers side ( vanavan ma
Dear Mr.Vijayakumar, yes possibilities are there for your views too.Several years back i read a book about "Malayamans"(I don't remember the author).According to him after their decline some malayaman families mig…
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shed_naresh200
February 2008
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interesting read - the antecedants of RRc from his mothers side ( vanavan ma
I think the Sambuvaraya and the Malayaman chieftains didn't have Kulapakai.Maybe they turned hostile at one situation.This is evident when we hear about the agreement between various feudatories.Sambuvaraya,malayaman and a Kadavarayar making …
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shed_naresh200
February 2008
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interesting read - the antecedants of RRc from his mothers side ( vanavan ma
Dear Mr.Sampath, According to history Sambuvarayars don't have any connections with Val Vil Ori. Its found that the Sambuvarayars were descedents of the old Oyman clan(Also known as Oy).One noted oyman ruler is Oyman Nalliank…
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shed_naresh200
February 2008
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SAMBUVARAYARS DURING CHOLA RULE
Dear Mr.venkatesh, I agree with you.I'll go slow.
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shed_naresh200
February 2008
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Senji Fort...
Another addtional ifno about Senji.Before the British and the french rule Senji came under the administration of a Palayakarar.They were known as "Mudhanmayars"
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shed_naresh200
February 2008
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Chola Pandya branches..
Raja of Pandalam:Possibilites are there for this ruler to be a Pandiyan descendent.But it will be much more difficult to prove as he lost his tamil indentity and absorbed into the kerala caste system.Also regarding the period of the Pandiyans sett…
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shed_naresh200
February 2008
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Chola Pandya branches..
Lets start from the period of Vishwanatha Nayak (1529 to 1564AD).he is the founder of Poliga system and he divided the southern region into 72 Palayams.He brought the PANDIYANS OF THENKASI & KAYATHAR under the Poligar system. The 2 Pandiyans…
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shed_naresh200
February 2008
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Chola Pandya branches..
I have the list of Pandiyans who ruled starting from 1357AD.Before going through the list lets see the nature of the Pandiyans.The Pandiyans differ from Cholas in one aspect.The Pandiyans were known to quarrel for the throne.We hear of the 2 Pand…
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shed_naresh200
February 2008
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