Cholas had very close ties with Thailand.Chola merchants introduced religion and customs of cholas to thais.Dr.Deivanayagam of tanjai tamil unieversity points out some interesting facts on this
1.Al the inscriptions found in south east asian countries were in granda script(Tamil and sanskrit mixture)Grantha script was language of bhramins of pallava nadu in chola kingdom.
2.Chola traders worshipped karaikal ammayar who was also called as "pei".Chola traders from karaikal traded mostly with siam (thailand) and some settled there.One such temple for karaikal ammayar(pei) is found in pimay,north east siam.
3.Numerous shiva temples are found in thailand.Even today tirupavai and devaram are sung in thailand.
4.Even Kamba Ramayana entered thailand.Thais were devout hindus earlier.Thailand's earlier capital was ayudhya(based on ramayana ayodhya).The ramakin(ramayana) of thailand has more similarities with kambaramayana than valmiki ramayana(annalum nokkinal avalum nokkinal ,mayil ravanan story which are unique to kambaramayan appears in Ramakin.Ramakin is a corrupt form of "rama keerthi".In Ramakin, rama is called as 'phra Ram'(Ramachandra prabu??) and seetha is called as 'nangsidha'(nangai seetha??)
5.The kings of thailand started calling themselves as cholas.Even a araichimani was tied on thai kings palace based on story of manu neethi cholan.
6.Other similarities were hari-hara worship(Done only by smartha bhramins of tamilnadu).There is one beautiful tamil god in thailand,Sugothaya perumal temple.Sugothaya is a pure tamil word.Initially thiland itself was called as sugothaya.
References:
Dr.G.Devianayakam, "The interactions of the Chola empire in the Chao Phraya delta",Thanjai tamil university.
> 6.Other similarities were hari-hara worship(Done only by smartha > bhramins of tamilnadu).There is one beautiful tamil god in > thailand,Sugothaya perumal temple.Sugothaya is a pure tamil > word.Initially thiland itself was called as sugothaya.
Pardon my ignorance, what is the meaning of the tamil word Sugothaya?
Your mail reminds me of a Thai movie made by Francis Ford Coppola I saw some time back, "The Legend of Suriyothai". Spanning more than half a century, Suriyothai is a story of a country's survival. It depicts the history of the Thai kingdom Ayuthaya from the reign of King Ramathibodhi II to the great battle with King Tabinshwethi of Burma in 1548.
I couldn't get over the fact that many names of the royal officials were phonetically very similar to Tamil or Sanskrit. Here are some of the characters in the movie,
Queen Suriyothai - SURIYODAYA? King Thienracha - THENRAAJA? King Chairacha - CHINNARAAJA? Lord Pirenthorathep - **DORAI DEV? Lady Srisudachan - SRI SUDARSHAN? Captain Rajseneha - RAJA SNEHA? as in Friend of the King? Lord Intrathep - INDRADEV? Queen Jiraprapa - **PRABHA? Lord Pichai - PICCHAI? King Norputthanukul - Very similar to some place names in Kerala Lord Yommaraj - YAMARAJA? Lord Sawankalok - SWAPNALOK? Lord Mahasena - MAHASENA Akrachaya - UGRAJAYA? or **ACHARYA? Lord Warawongsa Lady Srichulalak Sir Sriyod King of Prae Lord Sihatu Lord Minyesihatu Lieutenant Thepruksa Lord Rajpakdee
I'm no expert in any language, let alone Thai. I think Thai is the Tamil word THAI, motherland. But I also know that Thai people pronouce it as TAI, not THAI as we do. I haven't found a similar word/name in Tamil or Sanskrit to some of the names, but the names are definitely a corruption of original Tamil/Sanskrit words. I've listed some of the names, so that maybe some of you can come up with equivalents in Tamil.
****** Ayuthaya's peace and prosperity was dependent on the descendants of four royal dynasties: Suphannabumi, U-Thong, Phra Ruang and Sri Thammasokaraj. Regardless of which family held power, the stability of the regime depended on the support and cooperation of the other royal households. ****** Similar to our Tamil kingdoms, don't you think?
Also,
****** During the reign of King Ramathibodhi II, the kingdom had two monarchs: Ramathibodhi II in the south and his younger brother Phra Atitay in the north. Both were descendents of the Suphannabumi dynasty. ******* So, even they had a King (Phra denotes King) Adithya.
--- In ponniyinselvan@yahoogroups.com, "Vidya Ramakrishnan" > > Pardon my ignorance, what is the meaning of the tamil word Sugothaya?
----------->Dr.Deivanayakam says "Sugodhayam" means sugam+udayam=pleasant dawn.Dr.Deivanayakam says that like how Korea was called as land of morning calm,cholas called thailand as land of pleasant dawn.
Albeit udayam is a sanskrit word which was adopted by tamil.I think sugam is a pure tamil word.wont be surpised if its also from sanskrit.In that case even Rajarajan,Rajendran are sanskrit words.
Dr.Deivanayakam gives many similiar words in tamil and thai language.
regards sampath
> > Your mail reminds me of a Thai movie made by Francis Ford Coppola I > saw some time back, "The Legend of Suriyothai". Spanning more than > half a century, Suriyothai is a story of a country's survival. It > depicts the history of the Thai kingdom Ayuthaya from the reign of > King Ramathibodhi II to the great battle with King Tabinshwethi of > Burma in 1548. > > I couldn't get over the fact that many names of the royal officials > were phonetically very similar to Tamil or Sanskrit. Here are some > of the characters in the movie, > > Queen Suriyothai - SURIYODAYA? > King Thienracha - THENRAAJA? > King Chairacha - CHINNARAAJA? > Lord Pirenthorathep - **DORAI DEV? > Lady Srisudachan - SRI SUDARSHAN? > Captain Rajseneha - RAJA SNEHA? as in Friend of the King? > Lord Intrathep - INDRADEV? > Queen Jiraprapa - **PRABHA? > Lord Pichai - PICCHAI? > King Norputthanukul - Very similar to some place names in Kerala > Lord Yommaraj - YAMARAJA? > Lord Sawankalok - SWAPNALOK? > Lord Mahasena - MAHASENA > Akrachaya - UGRAJAYA? or **ACHARYA? > Lord Warawongsa > Lady Srichulalak > Sir Sriyod > King of Prae > Lord Sihatu > Lord Minyesihatu > Lieutenant Thepruksa > Lord Rajpakdee > > I'm no expert in any language, let alone Thai. I think Thai is the > Tamil word THAI, motherland. But I also know that Thai people > pronouce it as TAI, not THAI as we do. I haven't found a similar > word/name in Tamil or Sanskrit to some of the names, but the names > are definitely a corruption of original Tamil/Sanskrit words. I've > listed some of the names, so that maybe some of you can come up with > equivalents in Tamil. > > ****** > Ayuthaya's peace and prosperity was dependent on the descendants > of four royal dynasties: Suphannabumi, U-Thong, Phra Ruang and > Sri Thammasokaraj. Regardless of which family held power, the > stability of the regime depended on the support and cooperation > of the other royal households. > ****** > Similar to our Tamil kingdoms, don't you think? > > Also, > > ****** > During the reign of King Ramathibodhi II, the kingdom had two > monarchs: Ramathibodhi II in the south and his younger brother > Phra Atitay in the north. Both were descendents of the > Suphannabumi dynasty. > ******* > So, even they had a King (Phra denotes King) Adithya. > > I took the historical notes from Sony's website. You can read more > if interested at > http://www.sonyclassics.com/legend/legend_suriyothai.pdf > > Vidya
what is the meaning of the tamil word > Sugothaya?
could also mean GOOD MORNING
> > ----------->Dr.Deivanayakam says "Sugodhayam" means > sugam+udayam=pleasant dawn.Dr.Deivanayakam says that like how Korea > was called as land of morning calm,cholas called thailand as land of > pleasant dawn. > > Albeit udayam is a sanskrit word which was adopted by tamil.I think > sugam is a pure tamil word.wont be surpised if its also from > sanskrit.In that case even Rajarajan,Rajendran are sanskrit words. > > Dr.Deivanayakam gives many similiar words in tamil and thai language. > > regards > sampath > > > > > > > > > > Your mail reminds me of a Thai movie made by Francis Ford Coppola I > > saw some time back, "The Legend of Suriyothai". Spanning more than > > half a century, Suriyothai is a story of a country's survival. It > > depicts the history of the Thai kingdom Ayuthaya from the reign of > > King Ramathibodhi II to the great battle with King Tabinshwethi of > > Burma in 1548. > > > > I couldn't get over the fact that many names of the royal officials > > were phonetically very similar to Tamil or Sanskrit. Here are some > > of the characters in the movie, > > > > Queen Suriyothai - SURIYODAYA? > > King Thienracha - THENRAAJA? > > King Chairacha - CHINNARAAJA? > > Lord Pirenthorathep - **DORAI DEV? > > Lady Srisudachan - SRI SUDARSHAN? > > Captain Rajseneha - RAJA SNEHA? as in Friend of the King? > > Lord Intrathep - INDRADEV? > > Queen Jiraprapa - **PRABHA? > > Lord Pichai - PICCHAI? > > King Norputthanukul - Very similar to some place names in Kerala > > Lord Yommaraj - YAMARAJA? > > Lord Sawankalok - SWAPNALOK? > > Lord Mahasena - MAHASENA > > Akrachaya - UGRAJAYA? or **ACHARYA? > > Lord Warawongsa > > Lady Srichulalak > > Sir Sriyod > > King of Prae > > Lord Sihatu > > Lord Minyesihatu > > Lieutenant Thepruksa > > Lord Rajpakdee > > > > I'm no expert in any language, let alone Thai. I think Thai is the > > Tamil word THAI, motherland. But I also know that Thai people > > pronouce it as TAI, not THAI as we do. I haven't found a similar > > word/name in Tamil or Sanskrit to some of the names, but the names > > are definitely a corruption of original Tamil/Sanskrit words. I've > > listed some of the names, so that maybe some of you can come up > with > > equivalents in Tamil. > > > > ****** > > Ayuthaya's peace and prosperity was dependent on the descendants > > of four royal dynasties: Suphannabumi, U-Thong, Phra Ruang and > > Sri Thammasokaraj. Regardless of which family held power, the > > stability of the regime depended on the support and cooperation > > of the other royal households. > > ****** > > Similar to our Tamil kingdoms, don't you think? > > > > Also, > > > > ****** > > During the reign of King Ramathibodhi II, the kingdom had two > > monarchs: Ramathibodhi II in the south and his younger brother > > Phra Atitay in the north. Both were descendents of the > > Suphannabumi dynasty. > > ******* > > So, even they had a King (Phra denotes King) Adithya. > > > > I took the historical notes from Sony's website. You can read more > > if interested at > > http://www.sonyclassics.com/legend/legend_suriyothai.pdf > > > > Vidya
there is a lot of arab culture in kerala and the malabar coast
that was not due to the invasion but because of trade similarly with hindu traders. they spread the culture far and wide.
the legends of the far east mention princes from india starting dynasties there. very few mention colonies of the indian kings.
indian traders were going to the far east for some time. perhaps they had settlements and these were later converted into kingdoms
talking of trader settlements an arab fort alhambra built in 13-14th centuries is on east coast road.(most possibly to protect a traders settlement) 120 km on madras pondy road we have a place called kadapakkam. this is very near to it. see it if you travel on this road