* “Rama's birthplace traced, but not Raja Raja's memorial” * Special Correspondent * Karunanidhi's poser on verdict *
CHENNAI: Tamil Nadu Chief Minister M. Karunanidhi said on Sunday that he was pained by the fact that the memorial of Chola ruler Raja Raja, who reigned from 985 CE to 1014 CE, could not be traced, while Justice D.V. Sharma of the Allahabad High Court was able to confirm the birth place of Rama.
“Rama is said to have been born in Kritha Yuga, which covers 17,28,000 years. Now the birthplace of Rama, born about 17 lakh years ago, has been confirmed by the judgment,” he said in a statement, recalling Justice Sharma's observation that the disputed site at Ayodhya was the birthplace of Lord Ram and the disputed building was constructed by Babar.
Mr. Karunanidhi said it was a matter of regret that neither the details of Raja Raja's death, nor the place where he was buried and the site where a pillar was erected in his memory could be traced, though he lived a mere 1,000 years ago and ruled the entire South.
The Tamil Nadu government recently organised a festival at Thanjavur, the capital of the Cholas, to commemorate the millennium of the Big Temple constructed by Raja Raja.
Recalling the speech he made at the function, Mr. Karunanidhi said schemes, including land survey and democratic election ( kudavolai) of panchayat chiefs, were introduced during his reign, and the Big Temple and the epigraphs on its walls bore testimony to the achievements and political acumen of Raja Raja.
Mr. Karunanidhi said that though a proper history of the Dravidian race was not yet written, archaeologists and linguists of foreign countries opined that the Dravidian civilisation was at least 3,000 years old. “This is based on researches on Lemuria, the Indus Valley Civilization and the Tamil language.”
He said the truth about how the Dravidian race lived scientifically could be explained by making comparative studies between the Dravidian and other histories. “But the Aryan civilisation that tried to upstage the Dravidian race is keen on only inculcating irrational beliefs in the people without any basis.”
Mr. Karunanidhi also recalled his speech at Nagercoil in Kanyakumari district, stressing that Dravidians were descendants of a race that lived in Lemuria, lakhs of years ago.
He said the ancient Tamils' origin could be traced to Lemuria.
“Unique culture”
“Ours is a unique culture. We call it Dravidian culture to distinguish it from the Aryan culture,” he said.
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Hi Friends, One question has always confused me is the division between Dravidian and Aryan culture. I do not see much difference but many similarities. Difference is there from language perspective but similarities are there in beliefs, faith and other many things. If we, for time being, accept the Aryan invasion theory then we need to differentiate between Aryan and Dravidian as one race should be there whom we can term as aboriginal race of the land. However if we do not approve this invasion theory then I do not see a difference between Aryan or Dravidian.
freinds, modern anthropology classification puts indians(southasians)into 3 groups 1.dardic(indic): seen in northwesternindia-caucasoid in appearence 2.melanids: seen all over india- darker brownish colour but caucasoid features 3.veddoids: seen in eastern coastal india and bangladesh, madhyapradesh, srilanka, orissa..etc.-they are shorter and closer to australian aborigines and africans.
there is aryan or dravidian hypothesis applicable only in languageclassification..
lemuria may be only the sahara desert from where early dravidians left after it became a desert(10,000 years ago). these proto saharans brought rice cultivation to southindia and a sophisticated language called tamil.( for ref see clyde winters articles)
lemuria is cultural concept and not a geographical concept similar to ramsethu. if ram existed 17 lakh years ago, it could be only a beleif. lemuria is also beleif. how come rationalists hold such a beleif is the problem?
If I may make a small correction, I think we should separate the terms "Lemuria" and "Kumari Kandam" - the (superceded) supercontinent theory, and the "cultural concept" as you put it.
I think at this point, if at all we make allowances for Kumari Kandam, it can't be as a super-continent south of India. Such a continent does not, did not and could never have existed in the postulated time-frame, unless something is seriously wrong with modern geology. That the "rationalists" profess such a belief just proves that in this at least, they aren't being very rational or skeptical.
To add to this thread, following evidences based on human genome cannot be ignored.
1. Human species as we know it emerged in the continent of Africa some 240,000 years ago. Approximately 60,000 years ago, they wandered out of Africa. [Some say that the out of Africa occurred 85,000 years ago]. A good source of information is the on-going project sponsored by the National Geographic Society, called the genographic project. Needless to say, these facts are revised as new findings occur. https://genographic.nationalgeographic.com/genographic/lan/en/atlas.html
3. Population of Tamil Nadu is varied. According to this genetic study [http://www.ias.ac.in/jgenet/Vol87No2/temp/jgen00160.pdf] , Tamil Nadu experienced three major immigrant waves in ancient times. [this may be changed on new scientific info] These occurred: approx. 20,000 , 10,000 and 5,000 years ago.
4. Saurabs’ observation that Aryan/Dravidian divide is a linguistic one and not a race, is supported by such distinguished scholars as Romila Thapar.
The idea of Lemuria, a southern continent, cannot yet be affirmed through any available scientific data. Does anyone in this group know when that idea was put forward?
Last time I checked, Dravidians were not a race. The Dravidian distinction is based on the Dravidian languages. The AIT is bogus; how long are gullible people going to believe in such things and be cheated by politicians?
freinds, the irony is india does not have a anthropology department worth to call. last time we had a meeting in annamalai, the delhi anthropology department HOD told me that there are no journals of anthropology at all in india. because of this classification of people is left to religious and caste leaders and politicians. this is the problem.
anthropolog is a word unheard of in india( that is in a country where it is maximum needed) gandhi
island of Lemurs? perhaps it's just Madagascar! glad to read the many sensible entries recently, Ayodhya, Lemuria, corruption, etc. kathie > > Members are requested to ensure that copyright issues are not violated > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Visit http://ponniyinselvan.in to find archived messages > Visit http://festival2009.ponniyinselvan.in to find out about PSVP > Vizha > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > MARKETPLACE > Stay on top of your group activity without leaving the page you're > on - Get the Yahoo! Toolbar now. > > Get great advice about dogs and cats. Visit the Dog & Cat Answers > Center. > > Hobbies & Activities Zone: Find others who share your passions! > Explore new interests. > > Switch to: Text-Only, Daily Digest • Unsubscribe • Terms of Use > . > >