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    The cradle of civilisation - many cultures want to lay claims to this tag.
    When
    these claims are not backed by strong evidence, they step back to folklore,
    mythical storms, lost lands and sea incursions that magically wipe out all
    traces of civilisation, yet leave intact the memories. While we wait for
    more
    technological advances [...]

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  • What a coinncidence. Today morning when i was thinking on the time of vedas, I thoughtaboutwhat was happening here , when the Pyramids were built.

    Whyour peoplewere so simple?

    In3rd BC our own Ashoka had started building big stoopas

    Even when in the nearby srilanka, big bhudhist caves started appearing ,our people have not thought about it? Even we did not build big temples after big stupas appeared as close as Amaravati and Bhudhist statues in Nagrjuna konda?

    Why we started building temples in stone very late?

    Is it because we primarily focussed on Yagams?

    Need to search more.
  • re Buddhist/Jain Stupas, but no temples for centuries:
    Earliest stone work: excav. caves for Ajivikas in Barabar Caves, Bihar.
    under Ashoka's rule.
    I'd read that technology to work stone hadn't worked its way
    throughout So. Asia, yet.
    Plenty of trees for building material in the meantime.
    ... a heretical thought?
    kathie
  • hi katherine, sankaranarayan sir

    Thanks. The post was made after lot of thinking, as it might offend many,
    but these questions must be asked i guess
  • It is my conviction that sculpting on granite was tried in Mahabalipuram; before that no work was attempted on granite..only sandstone, marble, brick, wood. I disagree with Dr Nagaswami that the art of sculpting on granite came from north.
    This is also one of my arrguments that if you want to understand Mahabalipuram you should visit Kailasanatha temple. That was the model on which sculpting on granite was experimented with in Mahabalipuram

    R. Narasimhan
  • Dear Vj

    You can defenetly make this post. I was also thinking on the same line.

    This need to be answred. My view is instead of "We did not know",,Let us explore why we did not do?

    Intrestingly, this question makes Vedas and the Indus sites as the only oldest surviving cultural things of India.

    I am reading on various articles on time of Vedas.Many suggested to read the latest articles of authors who vehemently propoagated aryan invasiontheory and how they are SLOWLY turing away from that.

    Another intresting thing many mentioned is, the Dwaraka underwater study, if properly done will throw more light on the subject,
  • My take on it:

    If you look at Egypt, it's basically desert, broken by the Nile. In other
    words, probably the only arid climate in the ancient world that people could
    live in. Other places where ancient civilizations of that time existed -
    Mesopotamia, Indus Valley, China, and so on, are not as dry.

    I've seen buildings, not more than a few decades old, literally crumble to
    dust in our climate, due to termites, for example. In our wet climate,
    nothing but rock really lasts. The only thing that can really last, without
    any human intervention, would be the granite of our temples. Even the sudai
    structures have to be maintained regularly (hence kumbabhishekams every
    decade or so) or they will just disappear.

    My theory is that the cultures of the late neolithic and early bronze ages
    didn't have the technology to build and maintain these types of structures
    in the wet climates of India and the rest of the world where they lived. And
    thus, we have not much of their remains in the form of massive monuments.
    Those probably existed, and have long since become part of the soil.

    Egypt on the other hand, is a place about as perfect as possible for both
    sides of the equation - lots of building material in the form of
    easily-worked limestone, and the kind of climate that preserves things,
    rather than decomposing them.

    In essence, what I'm arguing is that our ancestors - of the Indus valley, to
    be precise, didn't have any _less_ technology than the Egyptians. The very
    fact that they built so many cities - where each household had flush toilets
    and indoor plumbing - demonstrates this to us. The south was probably less
    developed at that time, but there's no question that our ancestors were
    technologically advanced. It's just that Egypt was in the right place to
    build big.

    By around the time of Ashoka, other techniques were discovered and spread
    around the world, enabling our ancestors to build big also.

    Besides, many of our earlier cities still exist, unlike Memphis and Thebes.
    After Damascus, I believe Varanasi is the oldest continuously inhabited city
    in the world. Patna, Mathura, and others should also be included in this
    list. In these places, any archeological remains would be buried under
    several (hundreds) of layers of city built on top of city, which makes
    archaeology quite difficult...

    I don't claim that this is really what happened / is happening, but it's my
    theory on the answer to VJ's question...
  • I am not expert, but my 2 paise..

    As Swami Vivekananda says, Indians (Hindus) found ways to live with the bare
    minimum things. No where in the world we can see this. In the west, people
    of wealth of revered, but in India, Even the great kings will prostrate
    before a 'mutrum thurandha munivar'. the more the person relinquishes the
    more he is revered.

    As Sankar and shaswat commented, we were looking inwards. When we feel bad
    that when giant structures were built around the world, we dont have
    any...we also should think that, we had the worlds first literature. (having
    such a great volume of scriptures, i dont buy the arguement that we never
    knew writing till 3000 years back. only this is we lost it )...we had great
    literature, we found writing, we invented zero and all the basics of science
    was invented in India. but we did fail to carry it on to the next level for
    the simple reason that we were not materialistic.

    when the egyptians thought that the soul will come back to the body and
    built huge pyramids to protect it, we already knew what the soul is and body
    is of no concern.

    So i think we should feel proud of what we achieved than feeling bad what we
    didnt...
    And in tamilhindu.com, I read a comment by our member Jayashree
    Saranathan...that only in Kaliyuga temples were built...till then the
    prayers were within or at the individuals house level....i think its a very
    valid point...
  • Why do we prostrate before another?
    This takes us to the origin of behaviour.
    Recognise the existence of a supernatural power.
    Good and Evil exisit side by side.
    Man must make his own choice.
    You are a co-worker of God; indeed every one is. Nota slave of god
    When you prostrate before another person, you recognise the existence of
    God's presence.
    Athithi devo bhavaa

    R Narasimhan
  • we could not take it to next level beacuse -

    for the last 1300 years were struggling to protect what we have. and protected some and lost many.
  • hi all

    to take this further - if you notice the early cave temples - presume they
    were modeled on the earlier extent of wood , brick and mortar structures -
    but their relative sizes and specs - were they just miniaturised to leverege
    the unforgiving medium of stone - but why then do they lack few key elements
    for a more ` public' styling. can elaborate if you are interested
  • dear narasimhan

    You had stated this before as well - that Kanchi Kailasantha predates
    mallai - would request to please support with why you think its like that.
    Epigraphical, evolutionary, stylistic references please !!
  • Dear Shash

    Thats a nice view point

    Sri



    If I can stop one heart from breaking,I shall not live in vain;
    If I can ease one life the aching,Or cool one pain,
    Or help one fainting robin, Into his nest again,
    I shall not live in vain.
    Emily Dickinson






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