Nandini's father
  • Hi

    I am new this forum and having read some messages posted earlier on
    this forum my interest in this topic was revived.

    Let me put in my side of the argument:

    Nandini is definitely not the daughter of someone like Karuthiruman -
    this is evident from many places in the novel and most chiefly when
    Adithan tells Parthipendran that he could not believe that Nandini was
    the daughter of Eesana Sivabhattar. To him she appeared to be one
    born in a royal family or at least in a family that was upper class.

    Kalki is quite a traditionalist and he will not make his character
    call its father as her fiance. That is ruled out and Nandini
    repeatedly mentions at various points that Veerapandian was her lover
    and one who has promised to marry her. So Veerapandian is also ruled out.

    Sundara Chozhan could not have been the father - the time lines do not
    match.

    But there is one small clue - when Nandini tells Adithan who her real
    father is, Adithan is surprised and cannot believe it.

    Now who could this character be that makes Adithan so surprised?

    Let us now look at history. It is well known that the Pandiya kings
    and the Lankan Kings have had relationships in terms of giving and
    taking women in marriage.

    Oomai Rani is from Eezham. And her daughter was the Pandya King
    Veerapandiyan's fiance and he had promised to marry her.

    Put two and two together - it is quite likely that after Sundara
    Chozhan deserted her, Oomai Rani was involved with the Srilankan king
    and gave birth to the twins.

    Aggregating all this, it becomes clear that Nandini was the Sri Lankan
    King's daughter and hence had all the support of the Pandiyanattu
    apathuthavigaL in her quest to avenge the death of Veerapandian.

    And it is this truth that surprised Adithan making him tell her that
    he is very sorry for what he did.

    Does anyone agree with me or is this a far fetched argument?
  • Hi

    according to the evidences available nandini had a twin
    amara bhujangan who is accepted as the leader of the pandiya freedom
    fighters.


    then where does the sinhalese connection come in

    when we analyse nandhini we should also take in the possibility that
    kalki slipped in the screen play.


    venketesh
  • Hi Venkatesh

    I thought Nandini was a fictional character. So where did this Amara Bhujangan come from?

    -reachkalki
  • Hi
    the evidence from ps is what I meant.
    amara pujangan is the second avathar of palaya mathuranthakan
    according to kalki.

    venketesh
  • oh ok. My bad.

    Amara Bhujangan becomes their leader but that is only till that Pandiyan boy (whom Nandini dotes on) comes of age to be the next Pandiyan king (from whatever I understand).

    If Nandini thought that she was Veerapandiyan's daughter, and if Mathuranthakam was also around, what makes her not crown him as the next king instead? The reason why she does not bring Mathuranthakam into her fold is because he cannot be the next in line for the Pandiya throne.

    At least this is how I will deduce it given the evidence.

    But probably the confusion arose when he decided to make Amuthan as the next heir instead of the palaya Mathuranthakan. Till that point it was not clear why the palaya Mathuranthakan resembled Nandini..

    I agree - Kalki seems to have done less homework on that web of palaya Mathuranthakan, Nandini and Amuthan. there seems to be glaring loop holes in that part of the plot.

    -reachkalki
  • Hi
    nandini, palaya mathuranthakan and sendan amudhan share a birthday.

    kalki slipped in my opinion only when he tried to project nandini as
    veerapandiyans lover.


    and oomai rani is not sinhalese. only that she frequents that island
    quite often. actually she is the cousin of thiyaga vidangar the light
    house keeper and sister of vani the mother of amudhan.

    kalki goes on to mention in his after word that amarabhujangan is
    killed by rrc later and that small boy is killed by rjc in later
    history.

    >>>there seems to be
    glaring loop holes in that part of the plot.

    they can be attributed to the fact that kali was writing a bit every
    week without a chance to go back and edit the earlier chapters like
    most authors do.
    he was comiting himself.
    one reason why he left the novel unfinished and abruptly. check our
    archieves for other rerasons why he was ina hurry to finish PS

    venketesh



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    > -reachkalki
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    > ----- Original Message ----
  • Hi,

    I don't think Kalki had slipped up as has been repeatedly alleged by Mr Venkat. In fact in a chapter close to the end of the magnum opus he has explained why Nandini had called veerapandiyan as his lover, to incite karikalan and do a dreadful job or karikalan, in his anger at seeing nandini attending to the injured veerapandiyan, not understanding what Nandini tells him before he beheads veerapandiyan. Let's drop this nonsense of belittling Kalki.

    Ramaswamy
  • Mr.Ramaswamy;
    Mr.Venketesh is not belittling Kalki. Infact if anybody knows more about
    Kalki it is Mr.Venketesh. There are many places in the novel where this
    group has pin pointed erros by Kalki. That does not take away the fact that
    PS is an incredible novel and Kalki an incredible writer.
    This group has been formed to discuss the pluses and minuses of Kalki and
    PS. This group is not for simply singin praises about Kalki. As a true fan
    one is supposed to accept the flaws along with the positives.
    To get a list of flaws in PS please go through the archives, there are some
    incredible threads.
  • Hi
    I do appreciate your feelings.
    i too almost assumed that kalki was literally god till i researched
    for his biography.
    then he took human proportions for me.

    somehow bringing kalki back to his human level from a pedestal made
    me enjoy the book more.

    venketesh
  • Dear Friends,

    By bringing out an anomoly - amounting to criticism - I do not think
    we will be BELITTING the AUTHOR - whose work we are all discussing
    after almost 60 yrs of its origin ....

    And the gentleman who is bringing out such anomoly is NONE OTHER
    THAN HIS BIOGRAPHER ....

    He has also ensured the style - flow of the Original version while
    continued the Sequel (Kaviri Mainthan) .. which the earlier Sequel
    Writers (Vikraman - Nandhipurathu Naayagi) did not maintain and
    could not be considered as a Sequel..

    Sacrificing the ORIGNALITY of a Writer (Venkat) to follow the foot
    prints of an ACKNOWLEDGED LEGEND (Kalki) is not known to Writer's
    World..

    Our dear VENKAT has not even acknowledged any where that he made
    such a sacrifice (of maintaining his own original style ) ...

    Let us also remember that KALKI himself has criticised several
    contemporary authors -- including MAHAKAVI BHARATHIAR - and yet was
    the Organiser of constructing the MANIMANDAPAM for him in
    Ettayapuram !!

    Vaazhiya Senthamizh..!

    sps
  • Very well said. What makes me stick with this group is
    exactly that we are not a 'kalki fan club' engaging in
    blind hero worship. Even after 60+ years of freedom
    our country suffers this problem with hero worship of
    politicians, movie stars - anyone who you think you
    respect it is assumed you have to hero worship him/her
    and think they are super human. They are not. There is
    a lot of difference between pointing out flaws in
    someone's work and belittling them as a human. In fact
    every class in literature involves literary criticism
    where we critically analyse the author's work. I
    remember having such classes as far back as 7th grade.
    We analysed some of Kambar's work and critiqued it
    with both appreciation and what we thought was not ok.
    Whether a 7th grader can criticise kambar is not the
    point - it is about developing criticism/analytical
    skills and also getting to know at an early age that
    every piece of work has both flaws and good qualities.

    SPS thank you for throwing more light on Venkat's
    work. I would love to read Kaviriyin Mainthan in fact
    more if he had not sacrificied his own style in favor
    of Kalki:))
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