tanjai gopura kalasam n others
  • we come across this reference often:

    In the twenty-fifth year of Rajaraja Cholan (A.D 1009-10) on the 257th
    day of the year the king handed over the copper pot for the finial at
    the top of the Vimana". It weighed about 235 lbs., and was overlaid
    with gold plate of the weight of 292.5 Kalanju or nearly 35 lbs

    But chanced on this interesting article - note for special reference
    to

    http://dsal.uchicago.edu/books/socialscientist/pager.html?
    objectid=HN681.S597_22_044.gif

    1. ( pg 44) the kalasam - sembu ( being measured in palams).. watch
    the use of the word surukira...and the formed alloy then being
    measured in the same unit of measure as other gold items ( kalanchu by
    adal vallan a measuring stone) ...

    >>>>>>>>>>>but is this interpretastion correct, because the word
    immdly following surukira is tagadu palapon which was measured by ....
    also how come there would be a such a reduction in weight when an
    alloy is formed???

    2. (pg 45) rrc special place for his sister

    naam koduthanavum, akkan koduthanavum, matrum kuduthar koduthanavum...

    what i gave, what sister gave and what was given by others....

    3. ( pg 47) the battle booty - reference to rrc gifting war loot -
    post chera, pandya and also chalukya ...

    2. ( pg 45/46)rrc exhibiting part of his wealth...exhibition?? his
    treasury - thevar pandarathei...

    3. ( pg 44) one detail of a large idol - kolgai devar?? anyone can
    throw light on this. must hv been carried away by kafur or melted...

    4. sources of gold - not only as war booty but also from taxes and
    duties.
  • Dear friends,

    There is another interesting article in the link provided by Vijay Kumar.

    Taxation for Thanjavur Temple's Music and Dance:

    http://dsal.uchicago.edu/books/socialscientist/pager.html?issue=27&objectid=HN681.S597_27_028.gif
  • Gold...

    When it was found? How they processed the ore? anybody knows which period?
  • Hi
    the talk of gold and all is fine. but has anybody calculated the
    cubic feet and tonnage of stone used in big temple?

    venketesh
  • Hi,

    Do you think we can estimate? yes we can for the structure standing above
    ground level but below ground level it is very difficult unless you excavate
    it or else need to use some magnetic/sound waves equipments..becuase of this
    beautiful temple many mountains would have disappeared in
    thanjavur-thiruchirappalli region..?! How much qty. of stone got wasted
    while making shapes?? How many human beings could have became slaves during
    the construction? We talk about only RRC but we should try to know how many
    hands involved in the construction of this temple, If you have reference on
    this kindly let me know..

    Please find the information about *inaccessible Chola murals inside the big
    temple in the following link..*
    **
    http://www.flonnet.com/fl2410/stories/20070601000106500.htm
  • *inaccessible Chola murals inside
    the big temple

    hi

    the paintings are not so innaccesible. quite a few in our group have
    seen them.
    the tanjore group trip of 2005 we all went in drenched in the rain.

    venketesh
  • Mr. Venketesh

    Yes you are correct! Just now I read one article written by suganya in
    Varalaaru.com. There mentioned Mr. Satish name only which I could recognise
    also the name of Mr. Kudavoil...
    However I think its not open to the public, may be we can see that with some
    special permission..
  • Hi,

    http://www.harappa.com/arrow/stone_celt_indus_signs.html

    in this article it is written that the gold for the ornaments in mohenjodaro
    was from kolar fields..that too 2000-3000 BCE...

    http://books.google.co.in/books?id=WbrcVcT-GbUC&pg=PA8&lpg=PA8&dq=history+of+ancient+indian+gold&source=web&ots=FIKviTJbai&sig=Yo_0tPG1qm33VXi6VFORY4xNpNk&hl=en#PPA8,M1

    but in the above book the author says the Indian chronolgy has to be framed
    based on the coins..not only gold..

    http://www.fordham.edu/HALSALL/ANCIENT/greek-india.html

    here there is an interesting story/facts about procurement of gold ........
  • Dear Satheesh,

    Can we put all these Wonderful links in our LINKS section as well..

    Hope you and vijay may help us.

    regds / sps
  • Dear Mr. SPS,

    The links are added .. tks
  • I remember reading in Balakumaran's Udaiyar, that the foundation is not
    ver deep, about 15 - 20 feet only, but the superstructure load is spread
    over a very large area. He must have got this from some sources; perhaps
    ref can be found in his books.

    Even today, you can see large granite pillars 3 feet square and 40 to 60
    feet tall above ground level in the unfinished towers (north and west
    sides) of Srirangam temple. What has gone below the ground is anyone's
    guess.

    Before the Rajagopuram was built in 70s, some studies were done to
    evaluate the foundation and load bearing capacity of the existing
    mandapam for deciding the height. As this is recent, information may be
    available.

    Sampath
  • If I remember right, Dr.Rajavelu of ASI once told our group that the
    foundation of big temple is just 6 feet...they did drill and test it
    out and they were astonished to figure out that its just 6 feet.

    SPS can throw more light on this and correct me if I am wrong.
  • Hi
    the big temple by itself is a very big achievemnet 1000 years back.
    but a lot of myths around it seem to add magical prowess to it and
    its architects.

    i am sure the big temple stands because its design was well done

    as rahul says in the absence of a tie- beam a sort of belt at the
    base the load cannot be distributed so well.

    1000 years is a long time to stand and i am sure the best of
    foundations was given .certainly not shallow ones.

    venketesh
  • Does this mean another nail in the coffin of the aryan invasion theory?

    (We can therefore conclude that the Harappans and the Neolithic people of Tamil country spoke
    the same language, namely Dravidian.
    It is recorded that the Neolithic people of South India were in contact with the Late Harappan
    or post -Harappan people of the Deccan. It is known that gold for the ornaments found at Mohenjodaro
    came from the Kolar gold fields in Karnataka. Finally, reference can be made to the traditional accounts
    in old Tamil literature tracing the origin of the Velir cheiftains to migration from the Saurashtra region of
    Gujarat which was at that time part of the Harappan civilization. )
  • Hi,

    Technically speeking, the foundation for the big temple should be a block
    type foundation, that may be a single big stone used as a foundation or many
    pieces of stones binded with lime mortar ( This is very stronger than the
    concrete but the settlement time is more). Also I think the foundation for
    the vimanam and other mandapams are seperate. When I was disucussing this
    matter with my friend who is a Geotechnical Engineer, he said one of the
    professor from soil mechnics dept, Anna Univ. had already studied the
    foundation of big temple to find the solution for the problem of
    differential settlement, if possible I will try to get the paper. According
    to that study the soil in that area is clayey soil so there is a problem of
    settlement. But using tie-beams in the stone foundation is impossible unless
    we cut out the beam from a single massive rock.

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