WHO IS NANDHINI
  • FOR NEW MEMBERS AND EVERY MEMBER .. AGAIN !


    On 8th July 2002, In ponniyinselvan@yahoogroups.com, "sv24in"
  • I suggested a wiki site with all the details like this to Gokul. So
    that new users can find those details in a single page and anybody who
    has knowledge about history can contribute.

    He wanted to finish the archive process first, so if volunteers are
    available then we can build it from the existing messages.

    If creating other site is an issue then we can contribute to wikipedia
    and link it in the homepage of ponniyinselvan group or ponniyinselvan
    wikipedia page itself.
  • Oh man, this looks like a Phd thesis. Great and entertaining read.
  • Hi,
    Here I would like to clarify one point that has been disturbing my mind for sometime :

    How old was Senthan Amudhan when Nandini and the old Madurantakan were born?

    When Mandakini jumped off the light house, she was pregnant wasn't she?

    Kalki says Mandakini and Veera pandiyan were rescued by Karuthirumman and when she was rescued, she was pregnant. Is it possible that she had met Veera pandiyan even before that? That has not been mentioned right? And it is also said that Oomai Rani gave birth to twins in "Sembiyan Madevi"s palace and that the replacement happened after a few days of the birth of Senthan amudhan. Which means right after Senthan amudhan was born, the twins were born. But it is also said When the Pattabhishekam of sundara chozhar happened,kandarathitha chozhar's son(Madurantakan) was one year old. I think only because of that reason the guards went searching for Sundara chozhar in the first place. And during the pattabhishekam Oomai rani tried to kill herself by falling off the light house and then was rescued and found to be pregnant. Now don't you think that is confusing?

    Please correct me if my argument is wrong.
  • -Hi

    just remind yourself of this scene.

    thiru koviloor malayaman talks to aditya karikalan just before he
    goes for the last time to kadambur.

    he tells him on the birth of aditya karikalan the festivities lasted
    for days at a stretch and the wealth of the malayamans of three
    generations was spent. he goes on to give a list of who all attended
    the function.
    it includes predecessors of sundara sola.

    but then sundara was rescued from the island only after all his
    predescessors had died and their was no heir to the chola throne.

    and then he married and beget aditya.

    kalki did slip in many places but unfortunately since he wrote weekly
    he could not go back and correct himself.

    another classic case is murugaiyan ( brother of pungkuzhali)who is
    introduced as physically challenged and dumb in the start but speaks
    volumes later.
  • I have a question to the group - historic accounts seem to conflict
    with the reglious tolerance shown by arulmozhi during his
    conquests...Kalki portrays a more heroic /do gooder image of
    arulmozhi during his time in ceylon, but later day accounts ( post
    his assession to the throne) he or atleast his armies have been
    ruthless aka decent amount of plundering. ( even during his
    conquests against the chalukyas - referrring to an article that
    appeared earlier in one of hindu's publications -think it was
    frontline - on religoius plundering in india) where statues were
    brought back to be displayed as trophies. A large number of temples,
    monastries were ransacked in search of treasure....could it be that
    kalki wantedly showed his hero in good light, or did the pressures
    of mounting such a massive war efforts n temple projects drain their
    coffers necessiating replinshing the war chests....vj
  • Hi Vj,

    There is no denying the fact none of the war is for peaceful purpose. it is
    a
    quest for supremacy, money and power and in some cases religious too.
    If Raja Raja's conquest were true, it is also true that he would have been
    ruthless
    in destroying his enemies, occupying their territories and capturing their
    treasures, that
    should be the fact I guess.
  • Hi,

    this is the article that i referred to

    http://www.hinduonnet.com/fline/fl1725/17250620.htm

    quote"

    In the early eleventh century, the Chola king Rajendra I furnished
    his capital with images he had seized from several prominent
    neighbouring kings: Durga and Ganesha images from the Chalukyas;
    Bhairava, Bhairavi, and Kali images from the Kalingas of Oris sa; a
    Nandi image from the Eastern Chalukyas; and a bronze Siva image from
    the Palas of Bengal (see Figure 4). In the mid-eleventh century, the
    Chola king Rajadhiraja defeated the Chalukyas and plundered Kalyani,
    taking a large black stone door guardian to his capital in
    Thanjavur, where it was displayed to his subjects as a trophy of war
    (see Figure 5). "

    I am also trying to find the referred article below

    Buddhist literature from Sri Lanka says that the Indian king took
    advantage of an internal strife in Sri Lanka and invaded the island.
    The ruthless Chola conquest was apparently no different from the
    conduct of Mahmud of Ghazni at Somnath. The Kulavamsa says that the
    capital Anuradhapura, which sported many Buddhist viharas,
    was 'utterly destroyed in every way by the Chola army.' Not only
    were the viharas decimated, but the holy stupas in them were torn
    apart in search of treasure. As George W. Spencer observes in The
    Politics of Expansion: The Chola Conquest of Sri Lanka and Sri
    Vijaya, 'Even if we allow for the exaggeration of the chroniclers,
    it is clear that the Cholas devastated the city.' "
  • check out this site

    THE MEDIAEVAL KINODOM TO THE CHOLA CONQUEST

    IN THE ELEVENTH CENTURY


    http://lakdiva.org/codrington/chap03.html

    Kassapa V. (ninth-tenth century), born of the twice crowned queen'
    Sangha, was the son of Sena II., and was made sub-king at his birth.
    He was a man of learning, and wrote a Sinhala paraphrase of the
    Dhammapada which still survives. In his reign the Pandyan king
    Rajasinha unwisely made war on the Cholas, sad being routed asked
    for Kassapa's help. The Sinhala king thereupon sent an army, which
    returned to Lanka unsuccessful. He died according to the Mahavamsa
    in his tenth year His successor, Dappula IV. only ruled for a few
    months, and Dappula V. (early tenth century) had hardly come to the
    throne when the Pandyan king arrived in Lanka, flying from the
    Cholas. The Sinhala monarch was preparing to give him help when a
    sudden strife arose among the princes of the Island, and the Pandyan
    had to retire to Malabar disappointed, leaving, however, his crown
    and royal ornaments with the king of Lanka. The war between the
    Pandyans and Cholas seems to have taken place at the end of the
    reign of Kassapa V and at the beginning of that of Dappula V.; the
    invasion of Rajasinha and the king of Lanka actually is mentioned in
    a record of the Chola king Parantaka I. (A.D. 907-953) dated in his
    twelfth year, or A.D. 918/9. We see here the rise of the great Chola
    Empire, which first overshadowed and finally engulfed the Island
    kingdom.

    After Udaya II. and Sena III. the Sinhala throne was occupied by
    Udaya III., who was `a drunkard and a sluggard.' Parantaka took
    advantage of this, and sent an embassy for the Pandyan regalia left
    in Lanka in the time of Dappula V. His demand being refused, he
    invaded the Island, Udaya flying with the disputed regalia towards
    Ruhuna, which the Chola army did not succeed in entering. The enemy
    then `returned to their own country, leaving the Island in great
    fear,' and Udaya took reprisals by destroying `the borders of the
    dominion of the king of Chola.' Parantaka's power was broken by the
    Rashtrakuta king Krishna III. about A.D. 942 /3,. and it seems
    likely that this was the cause of the Chola retreat and the counter-
    invasion of the Sinhala. Udaya died in his eighth year, while
    rebuilding a palace burnt by the Cholas.

    Udaya's second successor was his nephew Mahinda IV. (middle of tenth
    century). He departed from former custom by marrying a princess of
    the ruling family of Kalinga, which in the twelfth century gave a
    dynasty to the Island. Before his ninth year, Lanka was attacked by
    King Vallabha, apparently the Chola king Parantaka II., whose
    general was slain in Lanka about A.D. 959. The enemy army landed at
    Uratota (Kayts). This was the last success of the Sinhala for many a
    long year, as Mahinda's son Sena V. foolishly murdered his general's
    brother, and the enraged officer took his revenge by assembling
    together the Tamils settled in Lanka and making over the country to
    them. This took place in the second year of the reign. The Tamils so
    oppressed the people that Sena made his peace with the general and
    returned to Polonnaruwa. Here, however, becoming addicted to strong
    drink, and `like unto a mad tiger,' he died while still young, in
    the tenth year of his reign, and was succeeded by his brother
    Mahinda V. or Udaya (tenth-eleventh century).

    Fig 3.1Mediaval Gold Coin.


    The new king reigned at Anuradhapura but governed with difficulty,
    as the city was full of foreigners introduced by his late brother's
    general. In his twelfth year the revenue was withheld and the king
    was unable to pay his Malabar mercenaries, who mutinied. Mahinda
    thereupon fled to Ruhuna. leaving the country in the hands of the
    Malabars, Sinhala and Canarese. The opportunity was too good to be
    lost, and at some date between A.D. 1001/2 and 1004/5 the great
    Chola emperor Rajaraja I. (A.D. 985-101.2) conquered all the
    country, save the remoter parts which were still held by the
    Sinhala. The conquest was completed about A.D. 10 17 by the capture
    of Mahinda V. himself with his crown jewels and the Pandyan regalia
    left by Rajasinha. Lanka became a province of the Chola empire and
    Polonnaruwa was renamed Jananatha pura. It was at this period that
    miny of the Hindu shrines in the city were erected. Mahinda V. died
    in captivity in India.
  • Dear SPS,

    We cannot say it with authority that the bridge is nothing but sediments
    brought in by river,As mentioned by our CM. Its a subject to be researched.
    Even in international maps its mentioned as Adam's bridge. Earlier there was
    a land connection between these two (India / Sri Lanka) Probably due to
    raise n the sea level this has gone down.

    All this are not my 'SINDHANAI'. Again I discussed all this with my
    scientist friend Siddharth and he was the one who told me all this.

    I am still waiting for Siddharth, so that he can throw more light on this
    topic and the temple at Nangavaram. Infact he also told me that Andaman and
    Nicobar are not Island. Infact they are the sedimentary rocks which were
    flushed into the Bay of bengal by the Ganges and Bramaputra.

    He is an interesting guy who can talk on various topics and make many silent
    spectators speak!

    ~ Udanx
  • Infact he also told me that
    Andaman and
    > Nicobar are not Island. Infact they are the sedimentary rocks which
    were
    > flushed into the Bay of bengal by the Ganges and Bramaputra.
    >

    Hi


    andamans are located 950km from the mouth of the Hooghly River,

    thay are closer geographicaly to myanmar

    andaman has islands which are volcanic in nature. I doubt if
    sedimentary rocks and islands based on them can be volcanic.

    A key scene in The Sign of Four, the second book in Conan Doyle's
    famous Sherlock Holmes series, takes place at the British penal
    colony in the Andamans; events there have criticial bearing on the
    solution of the mystery taking place at London some years later and
    involving an escaped convict from that colony.

    The book also introduced an Andaman islander to London, who uses his
    blowpipe and poisoned darts to deadly effect in the great Victorian
    capital - adding the exotic touch which Doyle needed in this, as in
    many others of his works.

    venketesh
  • Dear Venkat
    I the second volume when Sundara comes back to the Kingdom Parantaka is terminally ill..Arinjaya is wounded badly...Kantheredirathitha is just married....
    no child then....infact sundar tells Kundavai...En peiyathanthai ippozhu oru pennai mananthullar muthal thaarathirku than kulanthai ilaai ivarukkum irukkathu enru enna nichayam....


    No mathuranthakan...

    Fourth volume

    Malayaman says Parathaka , and Kandiraththa were present and reiterates that there are no grandchildren then...

    I dont think its aslip...parathaka could have been alive and sundara must still be the crown prince

    As far Murukkayan

    Though he is introduced as Mute....Poonguzhali does mention that in her family there are born Mutes and people like her brother who become mute in front of their spouses....
  • Vanakkam Nanbargaley,

    Though we had discussed a lot on this topic, i have a small doubt.
    Please don't mistake me. My doubt is -

    "Is Nandini, a fictional character or Real character who lived in
    those time? if she is real, what proofs we have for it?"

    This may appear like a question from a ignorant, which is quiet true,
    but i would like to have a clear answer, that could help me get out of
    the ignorance.

    Nandrigaludan,
    Amar
  • > "Is Nandini, a fictional character or Real character

    Nandhini is a fictional character
  • As per Kalki (in his wind up of readers' queries), before her death,
    Nandini meets Rajarajan, explains the truth about her birth and death of
    Karikalan. Kalki would not have bothered if Nandini was fictitious. I
    still don't know, who killed Karikalan.

    Sampath

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