I suggested a wiki site with all the details like this to Gokul. So that new users can find those details in a single page and anybody who has knowledge about history can contribute.
He wanted to finish the archive process first, so if volunteers are available then we can build it from the existing messages.
If creating other site is an issue then we can contribute to wikipedia and link it in the homepage of ponniyinselvan group or ponniyinselvan wikipedia page itself.
Hi, Here I would like to clarify one point that has been disturbing my mind for sometime :
How old was Senthan Amudhan when Nandini and the old Madurantakan were born?
When Mandakini jumped off the light house, she was pregnant wasn't she?
Kalki says Mandakini and Veera pandiyan were rescued by Karuthirumman and when she was rescued, she was pregnant. Is it possible that she had met Veera pandiyan even before that? That has not been mentioned right? And it is also said that Oomai Rani gave birth to twins in "Sembiyan Madevi"s palace and that the replacement happened after a few days of the birth of Senthan amudhan. Which means right after Senthan amudhan was born, the twins were born. But it is also said When the Pattabhishekam of sundara chozhar happened,kandarathitha chozhar's son(Madurantakan) was one year old. I think only because of that reason the guards went searching for Sundara chozhar in the first place. And during the pattabhishekam Oomai rani tried to kill herself by falling off the light house and then was rescued and found to be pregnant. Now don't you think that is confusing?
thiru koviloor malayaman talks to aditya karikalan just before he goes for the last time to kadambur.
he tells him on the birth of aditya karikalan the festivities lasted for days at a stretch and the wealth of the malayamans of three generations was spent. he goes on to give a list of who all attended the function. it includes predecessors of sundara sola.
but then sundara was rescued from the island only after all his predescessors had died and their was no heir to the chola throne.
and then he married and beget aditya.
kalki did slip in many places but unfortunately since he wrote weekly he could not go back and correct himself.
another classic case is murugaiyan ( brother of pungkuzhali)who is introduced as physically challenged and dumb in the start but speaks volumes later.
I have a question to the group - historic accounts seem to conflict with the reglious tolerance shown by arulmozhi during his conquests...Kalki portrays a more heroic /do gooder image of arulmozhi during his time in ceylon, but later day accounts ( post his assession to the throne) he or atleast his armies have been ruthless aka decent amount of plundering. ( even during his conquests against the chalukyas - referrring to an article that appeared earlier in one of hindu's publications -think it was frontline - on religoius plundering in india) where statues were brought back to be displayed as trophies. A large number of temples, monastries were ransacked in search of treasure....could it be that kalki wantedly showed his hero in good light, or did the pressures of mounting such a massive war efforts n temple projects drain their coffers necessiating replinshing the war chests....vj
There is no denying the fact none of the war is for peaceful purpose. it is a quest for supremacy, money and power and in some cases religious too. If Raja Raja's conquest were true, it is also true that he would have been ruthless in destroying his enemies, occupying their territories and capturing their treasures, that should be the fact I guess.
In the early eleventh century, the Chola king Rajendra I furnished his capital with images he had seized from several prominent neighbouring kings: Durga and Ganesha images from the Chalukyas; Bhairava, Bhairavi, and Kali images from the Kalingas of Oris sa; a Nandi image from the Eastern Chalukyas; and a bronze Siva image from the Palas of Bengal (see Figure 4). In the mid-eleventh century, the Chola king Rajadhiraja defeated the Chalukyas and plundered Kalyani, taking a large black stone door guardian to his capital in Thanjavur, where it was displayed to his subjects as a trophy of war (see Figure 5). "
I am also trying to find the referred article below
Buddhist literature from Sri Lanka says that the Indian king took advantage of an internal strife in Sri Lanka and invaded the island. The ruthless Chola conquest was apparently no different from the conduct of Mahmud of Ghazni at Somnath. The Kulavamsa says that the capital Anuradhapura, which sported many Buddhist viharas, was 'utterly destroyed in every way by the Chola army.' Not only were the viharas decimated, but the holy stupas in them were torn apart in search of treasure. As George W. Spencer observes in The Politics of Expansion: The Chola Conquest of Sri Lanka and Sri Vijaya, 'Even if we allow for the exaggeration of the chroniclers, it is clear that the Cholas devastated the city.' "
Kassapa V. (ninth-tenth century), born of the twice crowned queen' Sangha, was the son of Sena II., and was made sub-king at his birth. He was a man of learning, and wrote a Sinhala paraphrase of the Dhammapada which still survives. In his reign the Pandyan king Rajasinha unwisely made war on the Cholas, sad being routed asked for Kassapa's help. The Sinhala king thereupon sent an army, which returned to Lanka unsuccessful. He died according to the Mahavamsa in his tenth year His successor, Dappula IV. only ruled for a few months, and Dappula V. (early tenth century) had hardly come to the throne when the Pandyan king arrived in Lanka, flying from the Cholas. The Sinhala monarch was preparing to give him help when a sudden strife arose among the princes of the Island, and the Pandyan had to retire to Malabar disappointed, leaving, however, his crown and royal ornaments with the king of Lanka. The war between the Pandyans and Cholas seems to have taken place at the end of the reign of Kassapa V and at the beginning of that of Dappula V.; the invasion of Rajasinha and the king of Lanka actually is mentioned in a record of the Chola king Parantaka I. (A.D. 907-953) dated in his twelfth year, or A.D. 918/9. We see here the rise of the great Chola Empire, which first overshadowed and finally engulfed the Island kingdom.
After Udaya II. and Sena III. the Sinhala throne was occupied by Udaya III., who was `a drunkard and a sluggard.' Parantaka took advantage of this, and sent an embassy for the Pandyan regalia left in Lanka in the time of Dappula V. His demand being refused, he invaded the Island, Udaya flying with the disputed regalia towards Ruhuna, which the Chola army did not succeed in entering. The enemy then `returned to their own country, leaving the Island in great fear,' and Udaya took reprisals by destroying `the borders of the dominion of the king of Chola.' Parantaka's power was broken by the Rashtrakuta king Krishna III. about A.D. 942 /3,. and it seems likely that this was the cause of the Chola retreat and the counter- invasion of the Sinhala. Udaya died in his eighth year, while rebuilding a palace burnt by the Cholas.
Udaya's second successor was his nephew Mahinda IV. (middle of tenth century). He departed from former custom by marrying a princess of the ruling family of Kalinga, which in the twelfth century gave a dynasty to the Island. Before his ninth year, Lanka was attacked by King Vallabha, apparently the Chola king Parantaka II., whose general was slain in Lanka about A.D. 959. The enemy army landed at Uratota (Kayts). This was the last success of the Sinhala for many a long year, as Mahinda's son Sena V. foolishly murdered his general's brother, and the enraged officer took his revenge by assembling together the Tamils settled in Lanka and making over the country to them. This took place in the second year of the reign. The Tamils so oppressed the people that Sena made his peace with the general and returned to Polonnaruwa. Here, however, becoming addicted to strong drink, and `like unto a mad tiger,' he died while still young, in the tenth year of his reign, and was succeeded by his brother Mahinda V. or Udaya (tenth-eleventh century).
Fig 3.1Mediaval Gold Coin.
The new king reigned at Anuradhapura but governed with difficulty, as the city was full of foreigners introduced by his late brother's general. In his twelfth year the revenue was withheld and the king was unable to pay his Malabar mercenaries, who mutinied. Mahinda thereupon fled to Ruhuna. leaving the country in the hands of the Malabars, Sinhala and Canarese. The opportunity was too good to be lost, and at some date between A.D. 1001/2 and 1004/5 the great Chola emperor Rajaraja I. (A.D. 985-101.2) conquered all the country, save the remoter parts which were still held by the Sinhala. The conquest was completed about A.D. 10 17 by the capture of Mahinda V. himself with his crown jewels and the Pandyan regalia left by Rajasinha. Lanka became a province of the Chola empire and Polonnaruwa was renamed Jananatha pura. It was at this period that miny of the Hindu shrines in the city were erected. Mahinda V. died in captivity in India.
We cannot say it with authority that the bridge is nothing but sediments brought in by river,As mentioned by our CM. Its a subject to be researched. Even in international maps its mentioned as Adam's bridge. Earlier there was a land connection between these two (India / Sri Lanka) Probably due to raise n the sea level this has gone down.
All this are not my 'SINDHANAI'. Again I discussed all this with my scientist friend Siddharth and he was the one who told me all this.
I am still waiting for Siddharth, so that he can throw more light on this topic and the temple at Nangavaram. Infact he also told me that Andaman and Nicobar are not Island. Infact they are the sedimentary rocks which were flushed into the Bay of bengal by the Ganges and Bramaputra.
He is an interesting guy who can talk on various topics and make many silent spectators speak!
Infact he also told me that Andaman and > Nicobar are not Island. Infact they are the sedimentary rocks which were > flushed into the Bay of bengal by the Ganges and Bramaputra. >
Hi
andamans are located 950km from the mouth of the Hooghly River,
thay are closer geographicaly to myanmar
andaman has islands which are volcanic in nature. I doubt if sedimentary rocks and islands based on them can be volcanic.
A key scene in The Sign of Four, the second book in Conan Doyle's famous Sherlock Holmes series, takes place at the British penal colony in the Andamans; events there have criticial bearing on the solution of the mystery taking place at London some years later and involving an escaped convict from that colony.
The book also introduced an Andaman islander to London, who uses his blowpipe and poisoned darts to deadly effect in the great Victorian capital - adding the exotic touch which Doyle needed in this, as in many others of his works.
Dear Venkat I the second volume when Sundara comes back to the Kingdom Parantaka is terminally ill..Arinjaya is wounded badly...Kantheredirathitha is just married.... no child then....infact sundar tells Kundavai...En peiyathanthai ippozhu oru pennai mananthullar muthal thaarathirku than kulanthai ilaai ivarukkum irukkathu enru enna nichayam....
No mathuranthakan...
Fourth volume
Malayaman says Parathaka , and Kandiraththa were present and reiterates that there are no grandchildren then...
I dont think its aslip...parathaka could have been alive and sundara must still be the crown prince
As far Murukkayan
Though he is introduced as Mute....Poonguzhali does mention that in her family there are born Mutes and people like her brother who become mute in front of their spouses....
Though we had discussed a lot on this topic, i have a small doubt. Please don't mistake me. My doubt is -
"Is Nandini, a fictional character or Real character who lived in those time? if she is real, what proofs we have for it?"
This may appear like a question from a ignorant, which is quiet true, but i would like to have a clear answer, that could help me get out of the ignorance.
As per Kalki (in his wind up of readers' queries), before her death, Nandini meets Rajarajan, explains the truth about her birth and death of Karikalan. Kalki would not have bothered if Nandini was fictitious. I still don't know, who killed Karikalan.