Bharath to India
  • Hi All
    I have a question...
    When and in what situation was our country 'Bharath' rechristened as 'India'
    ?
    Any info on why this name came into use and how it got assoiciated with
    Bharath.

    ~Swaroop
  • Hi

    school books tell us it was the river Sindhu that gave us the name.

    but if you see the last years of transition i guess hindustan became
    india.
    the mughals ruled under the name of hindustan and their succesors
    latinised the name I guess.
    but then what did alexander call this part when he invaded it?
    and we need to refer what were the references of batuta, marco polo
    and other travellers beforew the mughals?
    venketesh
  • > I have a question...
    > When and in what situation was our country 'Bharath' rechristened
    as 'India'


    could somebody enlighten us on when the word barathavarsh indicating
    the sub continent was mentioned??

    venketesh
  • Below is what I have read. I will try to find the citations. (long
    time ago, I read a excellent commentary on the Vedas by Sri
    Aurobindo.. there is a also short book on the Vedas by Kanchi
    Paramacharya.)

    Firstly, "Bharatha" is a very old term. Its mentioned in the Rig
    veda. How do we know it referred to the entire "India" and not just
    some small kingdom? Because it also mentions nearly 30 rivers (from
    Thamiraparani in the South to the Sindhu-group in the north to Brahma
    putra in the East.) "Bharath" is usually thought of as the name of
    the first great king of the land (son of Dushyanta/Shakuntala),
    however there is an alternate meaning that I cannot recall..

    Now, origin of India? Obviously, the origin is the river Indus. But
    Indus was not a Indian name as well.. the origin of that word
    is "Sindhu"... Sindhu means "river" in Sanskrit.

    The area around the set of the Indus rivers (Indus + 5 tributaries +
    Saraswathi) was called the Saptha Sindhu area. Persians converted
    Sindhu into Hindhu (apparently, their "s" is "h" :)! They referred to
    the people of this land as Hindhus.. it never stood for religion, it
    was meant to refer to people who live there.. (as you all know, there
    was no name called "Hinduism" anywhere in our scriptures/puranas)

    Either Persians/Greeks then called the land of the "Hindus"
    as "Indos"/"Indo", which then was adapted by later Europeans as
    India..

    Long story short, our country's real name is "Bharat" and our
    religion does not really have a name.. some thinkers have suggested
    calling it "Sanatana Dharma".. since nameless-ness is not possible
    anymore in our times :)
  • Very well said Deepa. That is how much am aware also. The earliest
    references to Bharat are from Rig Veda and Srimad Bhagavadam.

    The Rig Veda RV 3.53.12: vis'va_mitrasya raks.ati brahmedam bharatam
    janam, (this mantra of Vis'vamitra will protect the nation of the
    people of Bharatam).

    Srimad Bhagavadam the famous sloka that refers to
    Jambudweepe, Bharata Varshe, Bharata Kande...The boundaries of the
    land they were referring to is according to the rivers -
    Srimad Bhagavadam Chapter 5, stanzas 17,18
    "The people of Bharatavarsa touch with their body too the water of
    these rivers, which purify them by their very names.
    (17)Candravasa Tamraparni, Avatoda, Krtamala, Vaihayasi, Kaveri,
    Veni, Payaswini, Sarkaavarta, Tungabhadra, Krsna, Venya,
    Bhimarathi, Godavari, Nirvindhya, Payosni, Tapi, Reva, Surasa,
    Narmada Carmanvati (and) Sindhu, two big rivers — Andha (Brahmaputra)
    and Sona (Sone) — Mahanadi, Vedasmrti, Rsikulya, Trisama, Kausiki,
    Mandakini, Yamuna, Saraswati, Drsadvati, Gomati, Sarayu, Rodhaswati
    Saptavati, Susoma, Satadru,
    Candrabhaga, Marudvrdha, Vitasta, Asikni (and) Viswa are (the names
    of) the principal "

    The Mahabharat refers to Bharat as the land of great king Bharat, who
    was son of Dushyanta and Shakuntala and great grandson of Vishwamitra.
    The Bhagavadam also refers to a rishi called Jata Bharata who may be
    the Bharat that Bhagavadam refers to.
    I also found this interesting meaning Bha - Radiance, Rath -
    engrossed, Bharath - one who is engrossed in spiritual splendor.
    (http://www.sanatan.org/en/organization.htm)

    India of course came from Sindhu originally. Religion has little to
    do with it. In fact Hinduism itself is a name given to collective
    belief systems somewhat roughly based on vedic origins.

    My 2 paise,

    Malathi
  • Dear Vairam
    Your inputs on this pls.
    Any reference to the name of our country in the sangam literature?
    I understand the land mass that represented our country then was much
    different but definitely some name would have been associated to this land
    mass.
    Pls share ur thoughts.

    ~swaroop
  • Im truly fascinated by your statement that the RIG VEDA mentioned
    Thaamiraparani.. which will take it into 2000 - 3000 BC. [ or even earlier ].
    Older tamil works refer to thre Thaamiraparani as " PORUNAI " nathi.. and Thaamirabarani is a much later NAME! [ Similarly , many books refer to the Meenaakshi Sundreswarar Temple - it was always M Chockanaathar temple, and only changed to Sundreswarar 300 - 400 years ago..] IF actually THE [ ORIGINAL???] RIG Veda calls it Thaamiraparani, much confusion arises, for example, the SO CALLED Pandya of the Mahabaratha , [ as recently discussed ] is some one in the NORTH , not MASTER of VAIGAi & PORUNAI..
    and, where do we go from there? What DO the Sangam Poets and Poetries say.. Can some one help?
    Ellaar See
    ( L R C )
  • Sri. Paramacharya's "The Religion without a Name"

    http://www.kamakoti.org/hindudharma/part2/chap1.htm

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