Koparakesari - meaning... (Sanskrit?)
  • Koparakesari is to be divided as

    Ko = King
    Ara = Killed
    Kesari = King (again).

    meaning "the King who killed other kings."
  • What sampath says has some sense -- king of lions.

    I was originally thinking that you were talking about PS
    in the Azhwarkadiyan comments.

    The term corruption was introduced only by brithishers in India.
    The Kings were respected next to god by the term deva or devi
    has some sense.

    I can think outside the box if it is a complex problem but i dont
    know why you want to change our opinions? I just am feeling funny if
    I need to change my opinion which I had arrived at after studying
    varalaaru which provides me some convincing arguements about
    history with proof.

    Kings in olden days - majority of them were not self centered.
    Arthasastra, Panchatantra, Hitopadesa were created which talks
    about several things.

    Macauly or Thappar(JNU) should be happy with your arguments.
  • Hi All,

    I think we are falling into an error here. I have noticed several posts and
    over several days and the argument goes thus: "Oh Pulavar A said this about
    the king so the king must be good" or "Oh the pulavars have spoken about how
    a good person should behave and hence all tamilians living in that era were
    good". This is akin to my saying that all Indians are good and loving
    because "Sri Sri Ravi Shankar/Mata Amritanandamayi etc etc say that being a
    loving, caring human being is good".

    One has to remember that pulavars in those days depended on state patronage
    and hence would naturally boost the egos of the kings that they were
    beholden to. Perfectly natural. Does it mean that all they wrote were lies ?
    Probably not! Does it mean that they embellished certain things? Probably

    Which is what I mean by saying that human nature has not changed! People
    have been having the same kinds of problems generation after generation.
    Raja Raja was not god. He was a human and probably had many human faults. He
    might have been a very kind a just and generous king. But to conclude that
    all tamilians in those days lived pure, unsullied lies, is , pardon my
    french, so much poppycock. There was stealing and corruption and murder and
    loot and rape happening even in those days. Perhaps an effective king like
    Raja Raja could have reduced it, but I doubt if he got rid of it completely.
  • sampath,

    come back from US. Bring back that golden age... ungalaala mudiyalainna yaaraala mudiyum??? thangal thalamaikaaga tamizh naadu kaathukkidakkiradhu..... (varumbodhu andha computer marandhudaadheenga... hehehe!!!!!)
  • ennaapa sampath,

    after the whipping Pepsi's Indra Nooyi got from the media in the US, Neeyum jagaa vaanghuriyaaa????

    adhukkaagha ippadi bayandhu poga koodaadhu.....

    indh postmodernism, physics ellam namma India la ethanayo nootraandugalukku munnadi vandhuduchchu.... lot of works have been lost forever due to various factors like wars, natural disaster and so on.

    Numma nayanmars and Alwars are better scientists. the thing is that we are not able to understand their works.. may be due to the growth / difference in the usage of language between our times.

    Einstein was under the constant belief that "God does not Play dice"... but could not prove it during his lifetime, but our people were able to prove it long time ago....

    Eisenhover was advocate of Quantum , and this was also proved long time ago by our people,

    don't ask he how two contradictory things can be proved... its just like how our siddhars were able to prove Archimedes wrong .

    With Regards

    B. Dhiwakar
  • Dear Sampath,

    You make a number of "observations" intending them to be facts but
    unsupported by any evidence. Do you KNOW that Tamils were not pirates? Is
    there something inherently great in being a tamilian that would preclude one
    from becoming a pirate? I am sure there must have been at least SOME
    tamilians among the pirates what?

    Sampath, society hasn't changed a lot over the years. Societal norms might
    have changed or values , but the basic human qualities are still the same. I
    would bet good money that the same fights over land/water must have happened
    between landowners or housewives back in those days. You might be right in
    that the tamils of those days led more prosperous lives. Again. we can't say
    for sure. Remember that was a monarchy. Most of the power and land rested
    with the king. There must have been rampant nepotism and cronyism.
  • For everybody's information, this is what I infer from the
    term 'Koparakesari'.

    Split as 'Ko' + 'Para' + 'Kesari'

    "Kesari" means lion. (In fact the brownish orange colour of lion was
    called Kesar....is called so even now in the north. That is why the
    sweet bearing that colour is called 'Kesari').

    "Para" means other. ('Pardesi' means somebody from an other country -
    foreigner.....in Tamil we have made this a term to denote people
    without a place / home and a derogatory one at that).

    'Ko' means king.

    A king who is a valourous and frightens the other kings ('maatror')
    like a lion who frightens the other animals of the forest.


    'Antha' means end. 'Anthaka' is ender....Yama is referred to like
    this. 'Paranthaka' is like Yama to the other (enemy) kings

    Thanks & Warm Regards,
  • Some more info.

    Kesari (Lion) is used to denote king not just in India :

    Kaiser (William....) - Germany
    Caeser - Rome
    Czar - Russia

    (This and the Kesari Sweet info. have been noted and discussed by
    Shri Chandrasekharendra Sarawathi Swami of Kanchi. He is the source
    for my words on this topic.)

  • Thanks Sampath
    That was a very valuable info
  • There are two titles worn by later chola kings - Parakesari and

    Para - Kesari means a lion to enemies or outsiders

    Raja - Kesari means king among lions

    Para - kaala meant kaala to enemies or outsiders

    Ko-Para - Kesari simply means King Parakesari

    According to thiruvalangadu copper plates cholavarman was the very
    first founder of chola dynasty. He was followed by one
    Rajakesarivarman and Parakesarivarman. The later kings adopted
    these titles in their honour.

    But this could well be a legend - we do not find mention about
    kesari kings in sangam literature.

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