The Nandini Conundrum...
  • Dear Sumeetha...

    Well done. The case was well-thought out and well presented.:-) (I've
    got a doubt though- I was of the impression that the Veerapandian who had an
    affaire with Mandakini -I'm pretty sure that Nandini was Veerapandian's
    daughter- and the Veerapandian who died at the hands of Aditha Karikalan
    were one and the same...this is the first I've ever heard about the
    'brother' theory.)

    I had a discussion on the same subject about a year ago with another PS
    fanatic. To my question about Nandini's origins, I got the reply that she
    was undoubtedly Vaarapandian's daughter. The reasoning went like this...

    1) A person of Nandini's character and temperament would never fall in
    love with any one in a space of few days (like a wounded Veerapandian after
    math of the Madurai por). Assuming that she knew something of her parentage
    by then, this would amount to a classical "Electra complex" case study.

    2) A person of Nandini's character and temperament would go to any length -
    even to calling her father her lover - for attaining what she wants.

    3) The chronology. Even though Kalki muddles up in the chronology, there is
    clearly a gap of two years between, the parting of Sundara Cholar- Mandagini
    and the birth of the twins in Pazhayarai. And these two years are filled up
    with the Payithiyakaran a.k.a Karuthiruman account.

    4) The Karuthiruman story - Here he clearly states that he picked up both
    Mandagini and Veerapandian in his "odam" and left them together in northern
    Lanka when he went to Rohanam with Veera Pandiyan's message to Mahindan. And
    when he returned he found Mandagini pregnant. This not-so-subtle information
    confirms, Veerapandian as the father of mandagini
  • Hi Pavithra,

    The angle about Veerapandiyan being Nandini's brother was suggested by Ram
    in one of his threads here. I think I have given the thread there. I guess
    we can consider the possibility because if Veerapandiyan senior (the one who
    met Karuthiruman and Mandakini) is the same one killed by Karikalan then we
    can expect him to quite old. I guess it is difficult for think that she
    would have fallen in love with him.

    But Nandini as a character has puzzled me a lot for various reasons -

    If she wanted to take revenge on the Cholas or especially Kundavai for their
    treatment towards her the best revenge would be to marry Karikalan. Being
    the elder brother's wife I am sure we can expect Kundavai to be subservient
    to her in position and power. Yet she goes ahead and spoils it all by
    telling karikalan that she had fallen in love with the wounded man.

    Did she do it just to scorn Karikalan? To show him - "You have all the power
    in the world but I would prefer to marry a wounded and defeated king than
    become your wife and a part of your arrogant family" Is this what she

    On the other hand we have Veerapandiyan who is either her father or brother.
    Yes you are right Pavithra it seems like she had deliberately turned
    Karikalan's anger on him. Why?

    "Electra's complex" - quite possible. It can also be a deep yearning to be a
    part of something important and dangerous. Like she sees herself as a
    heroine liberating, avenging and taking up responsibilities for an entire

    We should also not forget that her revenge is a double edged sword both on
    Veerapandiyan and Karikalan. She turned Karikalan's anger on Veerapandiyan
    because she felt that he had abandoned her mother and herself therefore he
    got his head cut off and in the same time she took revenge on Karikalan for
    allowing Sembiyanmadevi to send her away.

    In many ways her revenge on Veerapandiyan was milder because it was
    Karikalan who had to bear the guilt of his actions which was a bigger
  • Hai All,
    Its happy to know that efforts are being made to get PS in web.Recently Dr
    V.Krishnamoorthy (Former anna university Professor) released a tamil OCR
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    and its looks pretty good.He can be contacted at.

    Dr V Krishnamoorthy
    11, Fourth Street,
    Padmanabha Nagar, Adayar,
    Chennai 600 020
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    To see the recent work done(pillai's biography)

    Hope this helps to accomplish your task

    Regarding the discussion about nandhini both sumeetha's and pavithra's
    insight is amazing.

    Bye for all

    Arul Prasad
  • Dear Sumeetha...

    Sorry for the rather long gap- but I'm back anyway.:-)

    Your views gave me a good deal of food for thought- I found myself
    doing a lot of thinking on what you've said.

    About what you've said about Nandhini exacting her revenge by marrying
    Karikalan- I though of another view-point. Most of the times, the
    daughter-in-law of a household weilds power only in name- she's generally
    expected to keep back and do what her husband/mother-in-law tells her. The
    real power, sometimes lies with the daughter of the house-in this case,
    Kundhavai. Kundavai is not just the daughter of the Chola emperor, but she's
    very popular with the masses too, and held in great esteem by her people.
    Nandhini would be thrown into the shadow, while Kundhavai would still retain
    her prominence. In essence, she may not have been able to get her revenge at
    all. What do you think?

    >On the other hand we have Veerapandiyan who is either her father or
    >brother. Yes you are right Pavithra it seems like she had deliberately
    >turned Karikalan's anger on him. Why?

    Do you mean, why she made Karikalan kill Veerapandian?

    For one thing, she is of the opinion that Karikalan jilted her- in her heart
    of hearts, she wanted him to win her back in spite of opposition. When he
    didn't do it, she became furious. And what better way to take her revenge
    than to make him kill her supposed lover Veerapandian (who was already
    three-fourths dead anyway, and wouldn't have survived) in a fit of anger
    (notice: she knows exactly how karikalan will react after he commits the
    deed of killing her 'beloved' and knows that he will regret it because he
    has hurt her terribly) then blame him forever?

    Personally, its my opinion that Nandhini didn't care much about the Pandya
    Kingdom either. *She* had been hurt by the Cholas and been humiliated by
    them, therefore she decided to hurt them as much as she could, notably

    Well...what do you think?

    BTW, Imli, your photos are cool:-) (How are your studies going on?)

    Looking forward to hearing more from you guys,

  • Reposting Message 148 / 8.7.2002 by Sumeetha Vijayaraghavan and a
    followup by Pavitha Srinivasan ::

    This should help New members look into earlier mails (first 300
    atleast ) and open discussions on PS & PS related characters.,

    anbudan / sps
  • Thanks SPS for reposting this. Reading it was as intriguing as the novel
    itself! A very good attempt at unraveling a complex, engaging, intriguing
    character and story that was ever created.
  • Hi sps sir

    Thanks for bringing this up - would Nandhini have been so calculative
    - that she knew one way or other Veerapandian's time was up - Aditya
    would capture him and that would already weaken the pandya forces. She
    was well aware of aditya's love for her ( and from the aditya
    assasination chapter and their conv during the fateful night - we see
    that she too loved him dearly) - did she use it to twist him to kill
    an unarmed injured veerapandian. That would explain why she called him
    her lover.

    on second thought, maybe shee watched a few Murali or early vijay
    movies - where the hero would sacrifice his love for his lover's lover !!!

    Aditya was a lion and he acted like a true lion.
  • In my view, I think at that point Nandhini would not have known that she was
    veerapandiyan's daughter and the injured person in her house is actually her
    brother. So it might be possible that she really was in love with him
    or just told that to Aditha just to infuriate him as she was angry with him.
    May be she just did not care abt the outcome of her action. May be at a
    later point of time she might have learnt the truth and wanted to avenge the
    death of Veerapandiyan. More than the death of Veerapandiyan, i guess it
    might be all the insults and yematram that she faced in and by the Chola
    royalty that would have made her resolve to avenge them.

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