There is a image of krishnadevaraya with his wives in Tirumala. This was made by his wife Tirumaladevi and offered to the temple during one of the royal visits of Krishnadevaraya to Tirumala. ( On seeing the face , i feel he had offered his hair and moustache at tirumala - a guess only) His brother who succeeded him and raja todarmal also have offered their statue to the temple.
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Today's Hindu had the painting which is supposed to be that of KDR. In that painting, he has a long mush and a turban like 'kreedam'. may be, since this statue is also authentic, we can guess he gave his hair and mush to the temple (ok. do we have the record of when the practice of giving hair to temples started).
Sankar - you once mentioned about the 'kadaparai' at the tirumala temple entrance and said you will write about it. When I visited Tirumala last Jan, then only i saw that for the first time. I think earlier there was no special board for this and hence people could have missed. But now it has a prominent board. Whats the significance?
While talking about KDR, its painful to note that, in TN there is not even a mention of this historic event. Karnataka and Andhra are celebrating in a big way and TN was also under vijayanagar empire for a long time and without their contribution we would not have even what we have today. Its a consoling thing note atleast an editorial about this great emperor in varalaaru.com two months back.
Krishnadevaraya with his Devis Bronze/s are in worshipping nature just in front of Main Entrance (from Twajasthamabam) at the Tirumala hills Sri Balaji Temple.
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Dear Thiru,
KDR small sculpture was found and identified by Dr. Nagaswamy and photogrpahed and published by FrontLine Subramanian and reported in our Group too (by Vijay I recall).
Pls group these mails if possible so that it will be easier to link them.
Are you talking about the gadapparai kept at the entrance? it is that of Sri Anantazhvan - one of the primary disciples of Saint Ramanuja. He hits a young man with this kadapparai - eventually to find that it was the lord himself.
People started worshipping the lord at Ilamkovil ( as it was difficult to reach tirumala for public in those days. the idol used seems be the one given by samavai for procession. Next time i will somehow enter the temple and check whether any moolavar in the temple)
Sri ramanuja felt that proper worship was not done in Tirumala as it was very difficult to stay there. people do most at the ilamkovil itself and it was not acceptable for him.he sent his close relative ( i am using the term relative to highlight that he gave the toughest job for a relative to set an example to others.)
Anandalwan while leaving for Tirumal a to eatablish a garden, daily worship ( with his wife).was told that since Tirumala jungle is full of cobras, it is very risky. He replied that if those snakesare powerful, i will do my duty in Vaikundam and if this snake is powerful, ( meaning himself-ananda) theduty will be done in Tirumala.( there are many vertions for this story)
He cleaned the place ( That time only garbgraha was there), established a garden for flowers, Brought water daily from ahasaganga for pooja and abishegam etc.
Then slowly the daily rituals, utsavams were all established. ( that helped even lord ranganatha a stay for 40 years -)
The Crowbar is used by him to clean and establish a garden is at the entrance.
Once lord himself came as an young boy and plucked flowers. He chased the boy and hit him and found the lord bleeding with a wound. That is why a a white camphor paste is applied on Moolavar's chin, below the lower lip. ( One version associates this story with thirumalai nambi)
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Ananthazhvan Brundavanam - the final resting place - as well as a small temple dedicated to him are located in Tirumala. I visited both of them last year.
You cannot miss them and yet everyone misses them !
I was told that the tirumala deity is made out of saligramam. Do any of you know this?
It is called swayamvyakta ( equivalant to swayambu in saivam)
the idol is supposed to have been originated on its own
Do you know that Tirumala and Srirangam were theer from Silappadigaram period ( 2nd AD) according to
In Maduraikandam Kovalan and Kannagi on their way tomadurai meet a brahmin. He introduces him self as fromkudamalainattu mangadu. He had undertaken piligrimages to srirangam and Tirumala. He describes the lord at both the places.
பால் விரிந்து அகலாது படிந்ததுபோல, ஆயிரம் விரித்து எழு தலை உடை அரும் திறல் பாயல்-பள்ளி, பலர் தொழுது ஏத்த, விரி திரைக் காவிரி வியன் பெரும் துருத்தித் திரு அமர் மார்பன் கிடந்த வண்ணமும்- 40
வீங்கு நீர் அருவி வேங்கடம் என்னும் ஓங்கு உயர் மலையத்து உச்சி மீமிசை- விரி கதிர் ஞாயிறும் திங்களும் விளங்கி, இரு மருங்கு ஓங்கிய இடைநிலைத் தானத்து, மின்னுக் கொடி உடுத்து, விளங்கு வில் பூண்டு, 45
நல் நிற மேகம் நின்றது போல- பகை அணங்கு ஆழியும், பால் வெண் சங்கமும், தகை பெறு தாமரைக் கையின் ஏந்தி, நலம் கிளர் ஆரம் மார்பில் பூண்டு, பொலம் பூ ஆடையின் பொலிந்து தோன்றிய 50
செங் கண் நெடியோன் நின்ற வண்ணமும்- என் கண் காட்டு என்று என் உளம் கவற்ற வந்தேன் குட மலை மாங்காட்டு உள்ளேன் தென்னவன் நாட்டுச் சிறப்பும் செய்கையும், கண்மணி குளிர்ப்பக் கண்டேன் ஆதலின், 55
வாழ்த்தி வந்திருந்தேன்; இது என் வரவு' என, தீத்திறம் புரிந்தோன் செப்பக் கேட்டு-
Wondeful Sankar. Thanks. Then this puts rest all the debates happening around Tirumala, as it was a Muruga temple once and Ramanujar converted it into a perumal temple.
after the ramayanam series is over - i will strat mamanum marumaganum.
that is another intresting lead i got from a very old tamil scholar ( who did not reveal his identity and in fact refuced to reveal. Hegave me lot of details) in cannemearh library.
Right at the main entrance of the temple, Jeevan. After you cross the security check near the Gopuram, you turn left to enter the temple and in the entrace, if you look to your right, you can see a crowbar hanging from the wall higher up, near the ceiling, with a board below it.
I think earlier the board was not there and hence it was not strikingly visible, but now with a prominent board, its pretty much visible.
Gokul,
By the way, where is the anandalwar temple you are mentioning? I have never seen that or atleast surely missed it all alone.
when you enter the main entrance ( after the final baggage checking) , to your right side, that is exit side.There is a board also. it is hanging in the wall. This is the entrance. while entering look to your right side.. On its wall it is hanging.
>>The Crowbar is used by him to clean and establish a garden is at the entrance.
>>Once lord himself came as an young boy and plucked flowers. He chased the boy and hit him and found the lord bleeding with a wound. That is why a a white camphor paste is applied on Moolavar's chin, below the lower lip. ( One version associates this story with thirumalai nambi)
Just a small correction here (as per a movie that I saw on Tirupati Venkateshwara) - Anandaalwar and his wife were working to build a water tank (now called Swami pushkarini - the holy tank in Tirumala). It was his wish that they together must complete this Mammoth task without anyone's help. His wife, however, was very tired and was unable to continuously work whereas Anandaalwar was expecting her to work faster in his dedication to complete the task. Venkateshwara, approached the lady as a young boy and offered to help. Although she resisted initially, he insisted and started helping her. After some time, Anandalwar came to know about this and was very angry with the young boy. Without realizing what he is doing, He threw away the crowbar with which he was working then and saw that the boy disappeared. He felt sorry for his violent act and approached the sanctum sanatorium and then witnessed blood in Venkateshwara's chin. Realizing it is the very spot where the crow bar hit the young boy, he cried for help and anxiously sought something to stop bleeding. He spotted camphor near the Lord and applied it in Venkateshwara's chin and the blood stopped. To this day, this practice of applying camphor in Venkateshwara's chin is followed in Tirumala, to mark Anandaalwar's devotion. If someone know which is the right version, please let me know.
there is another version - inncident is the story i told but the person is Thirumalai nambi.( not anandalwar). The inncident happened under the maghizha tree.
was told that the tirumala deity is made out of saligramam. Do any of you know this?
The Namam is of pacha karpuram, which has attachment properties towards the specific salagrama stone. I really doubt the crow bar stories etc, it could have very well been a human accident involving the crow bar. The namam being put there was told as a event, happened when the karpuram got stuck on the face.
The Statue of Lord is an epitome of cosmic energy, instead of investigating the gender or base form, its easier to accept the energy as is.
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Dear Jeevan, Is crowbar what its called, or is it a shovel/spade? Crowbars are for very hard material, like dismantling a building. Spades & trowels are used in gardening. Just want to get the picture straight. kathie
Gadap paarai : crow bar Mann ( sand) vetti ( cutter) : spade Uli : chisel Sutthi : hammer Arivaal : the sickle kind of knife u see in the hand of ayyanaar!!