Nandhini's father
  • Dear Sri,

    Re Nandhini's father, I developed the line of thinking based on the
    fact that the Novel was written in 1950, when woman dignity was more
    protected on the story telling. Even in present days, like in
    Sindhubairavi, Bairavi characterisation is subtly done by KB without
    affecting the dignity of her or her mother.

    Same way, it would have been difficult for Kalki to explain that
    Mandakini bore the twins for VP when she was sane and was already in
    deep love -which did not get extinguished for nearly 25 years - (as
    per PS) - with Sundara. If VP chose to have an affair with an insane
    woman, it is more inapporpriate.

    Hence as all the important characters concurred and accepted Nandhini
    as Sundara's daughter - to explain Veerapandian discrepancy - I
    suggested she was born to one and brought up by other.

    Other views are most welcome and as you rightly do - pave way for
    more healthy mails in the group.

    Re Nandhipurathu nayakai, there is another sequel as Vandhiathevan
    vaall (Sword!) - serialised in Amudhasurabi in the 80s.

    Can't touch with 24 foot pole!

    Fondly, SB
  • SB, Should it read Sindhu, instead of Bhairavi?
  • hi satheesh

    Pregnant then?? how sure. can you check the reference

    If my memory serves me right, we discussed possibility of karuthirumaran
    also for the father
  • Check my earlier mail below:
  • master...correct that rules out sundara chola. But leaves both the deposed
    king and the boatman as possible fathers.

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  • And the mother being ?? Umai rani ?
  • I thin Kalki wanted either Sundara Chola or the pandya king to be the father. Sundara chola explains the heroism of Oomai Nachiyar while pandya king explains Nandini's animosity towards Cholas. He started with the former and then wound up confused most probably.
  • -
    Dear Friends,

    this mail is very analytical on this subject ::

    http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ponniyinselvan/message/148

    sps

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  • Dear Ganesh Kumar,

    If you just go through the list,
    you will be surprised to see Veerapandiya came to Power in about 920 AD ...by which time Parantaka I was ruling Chola kingdom.

    In about 950 AD in chevvur battle VP was beheaded .. by then young AK..

    Means VP should have been more or less atleast 50 year of age.. !

    Looking from this angle also VP should have been Nandhini's father..

    Her uttering " Love " has very deep motive - as in case her father would not be letout easily or without damages to Prestige..

    " Veeramaranam " - would have been her choice too !!

    just managed to comeout with a logic.

    sps
  • Probably the most possible explanation but definitey a major slip..a father being romantically attracted to a daughter regardless of whom she resembles is highly unacceptable in any culture not to mention the conservative audience Kalki wrote for. And who was the pandya king then who was sympathetic to oomai rani and what was his relationship to Veeerapandiya?
  • Sorry I read SPS's explanation...thanks.
  • > Probably the most possible explanation but definitey a major slip..a father being romantically attracted to a daughter regardless of whom she resembles


    how long do the two meet?
    a day or so when he is half unconcious and hurt directly from the battlefield.

    a man in delirium



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  • All the more unnatural don't you think..I always saw it as they knew one another - romantically or otherwise, there is nothing to suggest they didnt'. Lot of things are implied I think this is one of them.
  • Yes, just now finished the chapter 52 of Vth Part in PS.

    Arulmozhi says to his sister Kunthavai, that twins were born two years after
    Sundara Chola returned from SL. So Sundara Chola being Nandhini's father
    ruled out!

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  • I forget how AM knows it is two years...there are two ways then Kalki erred on Nandhini calling Veerapandian 'Anbe' since he was her dad, or he erred on this two years biz and it was indeed Sundara chola's children that he wanted the twins to be. Is there a third possiblity (one error makes sense than multiple).
  • nandini kooda aval parentage ai patri ivvalavu kavalai pattirukkamaattaal.....
  • But Sembiyanmadevi would have definitely known when Nandini and Sendan and
    Madhuranthakan were born since all 3 were born on the same day or with in a
    day or twos gap to enable her to switch the kids.
    So all possiblity that AM would have got the info from her.
    Hence Nandhini is definitely not Sundara Chola's daughter.
  • > But Sembiyanmadevi would have definitely known when Nandini and Sendan and
    > Madhuranthakan were born since all 3 were born on the same day or with in a
    > day or twos gap to enable her to switch the kids.
    > So all possiblity that AM would have got the info from her.
    > Hence Nandhini is definitely not Sundara Chola's daughter.


    actually sembiyan madevi is closer to kundavai
    and even kundavai at one point suspects nandini could be her sibling....



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  • Oru DNA test pannidalaame :)) We will know once for all. BTW someone raised this question a short wile ago - is the oomai nachiyar temple in Tanjore really the oomai rani of PS? What was her relationship to Sundara Chola and contribution to chola empire?
  • Really..I thought Mandakini was based on a real character :)
  • I am not sure whether Kodiamman kovil is the one that was mentioned by Kalki
    as the temple built in memorial to
    mandhagini deviyaar!

    I was searching for that temple and recently I got the following information
    from a friend of mine who is a tamil teacher!

    "தஞ்சாவூர் மருத்துவக் கல்லூரி சாலையில் உள்ளடங்கி ஒரு கோவில் உள்ளது.
    நீண்டகாலமாக அதைக் காட்டுக் கோவில் என்றே அழைத்து வந்தனர். செங்கமல நாச்சி
    கோவில் என்று பெயர். சிங்கள நாச்சி கோவில் என்றும் அழைப்பர்"

    I am yet to check out this temple! probably be doing so this year end!

    Any insights?
  • Wish i could read below!! I wanted to know if Singala Nachiyar had any relationship with Mandakini.
  • Ooops I am sorry!

    The text was "Thanjavur mariuthuvai kalloori saalayil ulladangi oru kovil
    ullathu! Neenda kaalamaaga athai kaatuk kovil endre azhaithu vanthanar!
    Sengamala naachi kovil endru peyar! Singala naachi kovil endrum azhaippar!"

    Alrite I think I am confused here! is singala naachi not an another name for
    oomai raani?
  • I think this path is well trodden and will not give the answer. We must
    forget about Nandini and switch to the other twin - and find out who is
    'his' father.
    Sampath
  • good logic

    why did the pandya apathuthavikal and karuthiman want palaiya mathuranthakan?
    the truth that karuthiman spoke to mathuranthakan was about his parentage. so convinced was he that he went over to the pandyas and became amara bhujangan


    sampath sir, scotland yardla velaiya?

    venketesh
  • oh! This is how kalki and ps wins over any other novel based on history. More than reading we enjoy the discussions of probable events that could have happened.Kalki sure gives our imaginations a long rope and wins.
    May be if kalki had a chance of publishing the novel at one go he would have fine tuned it.
  • FRESH FROM RE-READING DEAR SRI ?

    NICE QUEST.

    regards/ sps

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