Aswa Meda Yagam
  • Heard from one of my friend that In one of his books S.Ramakrishnan has
    written about Aswa Medha Yagam. Anyone read that, can throw some light on
    the same.

    ~ Udanx
  • Udanx, I am not sure about the particular Aswamedha yagam you are
    referring to. In general Aswameda is an ancient rite referred to in the
    Ramayana (maybe other puranas also.). The king doing the rite does a
    yagna/sacrifice and releases a horse which is followed by his army on
    foot. Whereever the horse choses to go that territory is annexed by the
    king and whoever challenges that is to go to war with his army.

    That is in short what this yagam is about.

    Malathi
  • Hi
    micheal woods THE STORY OF INDIA made a special mention that the word
    for horse in greel/latin is asva too.

    need to check up

    venketesh
  • Dear Malathi,
    may I add that after the territory is conquered, the
    horse is sacrificed in an elaborate ritual
    featuring a special sacrificial pole,
    The victorious queen simulates making love to the dead
    horse [correct me if I'm wrong]
    Kathie B.
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  • Kathy,

    You hit the bulls eye. Search for the same in Wikipedia. You will get more
    info.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ashwamedha

    ~ Udanx
  • Rajathirajaperformed Aswameda yaga - Ref - Dr.Nagaswamy - Gangaikodacholapuram book

    Shankaran
  • Kathy, welcome back and good to hear from you :)

    May I point out some differences - the 'yaga' performed by Rama's
    father and Rama were for two different purposes, Rama's father was
    for progeny and Rama's was territorial sovereignity. Rama's father
    performed Putrakameshti in addition to the Aswamedha, which was for
    progeny. There was no eating of flesh in Rama's yagna, as also the
    same yagna performed by Yudhishtir in Mahabharat (although not much
    is said about it). The wiki article is inaccurate when it says Rama
    performed the yaga after Sita's 'death' - he performed it before her
    departure with a golden statue representing her. She surrenders his
    sons to him in the sacrificial hall and departs to her mother's abode
    (not dies).

    or restless thoughts. Medha is mind, and mind over thought stands for
    conquest of self ultimately leading to conquest of the world.

    Malathi
  • hi

    In the book The early Pallavas by D C Sircar, he devotes an entire
    chapter to the asvamedha sacrifice. will see if i can scan the
    relevant portion and upload in the files section.

    further,apart from references in the various epics, epigrahically
    this sacrifice has been in existance from pre ashoka days.

    below from various Epigrahica Indica volumes...

    Sunga dynasty -a king by name Pushyamitra - revived asvamedha which
    were prohibited by ashoka

    Apart from this the other major vedic sacrifices were Agnihotra,
    Agnishtoma, Yajapeya .

    The first king of the Chalukya line Polekesin (1) performed horse
    sacrifices.

    Another important point in this connection is that in the
    Hirahadagalli grant the
    earliest known Pallava king, Sivaskandavarman, who appears to have
    ruled in the
    first quarter of the fourth century A- D., is reported to have
    performed the Asvameda
    sacrifice.

    The Iksvakus who succeeded the Satavahanas in the rule of the Kistna-
    Guntur region. The sovereignty of the Iksvakus over the Andhra thus
    appears to have begun from about the end of the first quarter of the
    third century AD. Visiathiputra I, the first known Ikwaku king,
    should be placed after the time
    of Caocja(^n). He could not have been a feudatory of the
    Satavahanas, as he is said to be a performer of the Asvamedha and
    yajapeya sacrifices.

    According to the evidence of the Mayidavolu grant, dated in the
    reign of
    Sivaskandavarman's father, the Andhrapatha (i. e. the Andhra
    country) with its
    headquarters at Dhamfiakada (Dh&nyakataka) passed from the Iksvakus
    to the possession of
    the Pallavas. Pallava Sivaskandavarman - was also a performer of the
    great Vajapeya and Aivamedha sacrifices
  • Dear Vijay,

    Interesting one. More curious about the Iksvakus lineage. Do they
    claim any link to the Iksvakus to which Sri Rama belonged to....
  • Dear Kathy,Udanx and Malathy

    Very interesting discussion on the Aswamedha....

    I knew about the horse roaming unchallenged and any one challenging has to fight..etc

    I understand Malathy's point about the wavering mind etc...

    But whats with the chief queen business sleeping with the horse business doesnt make sense..to my simple mind what is it supposed to mean...

    Is the Horse the figuritive King who has conquered all the others and by dying loses his pride of victory??

    If so why the obsenities etc

    The Educated nad Illuminated please clarify

    Kind Regards

    Sri
  • Dear Sri,

    Among my classmates we had a long discussion (Mail thread) about this
    yesterday. When ever I think of asking something in our group I use to write
    a one liner to SPS - To get to know whether this has been discussed in our
    group. Always I use to get an "YES" barring one mail - regarding Jodha -
    Akbar. This one I didn't ask him and thankfully this wasnt discussed (Moral
    of the story don't ask SPS. SPS just kidding)

    Coming back to the topic, as you rightly pointed out whats the Chief Queens
    business with the dead horse? Probably we need to dive deep into this to
    find out the exact reason. But we may end up getting the exact reason which
    may not be applicable to today's society. Infact there were many rituals in
    ancient Hinduism which doesn't hold any value in today's society.

    In Manu Needhi I found that if a married man dies without any issues the
    elders would select a suitable man for the widow through whom she will bear
    a child. Reason -- The kid should do the filial duties for the man who died
    without an issue. The point is we may get the exact reason but it may not be
    acceptable in today's world. For the sake of knowledge we can learn.

    ~ Udanx
  • - that is very informative on this subject.

    anbudan / sps
  • Udanx and Dr Sri, yes we all have a need to understand this better, perhaps. As Udanx said lot of rituals may not make sense in modern context. This horse sacrifice episode has offended several people's sentiments since we want to believe the epics happened a certain way, and also it is quite bestial in nature. Dalit reformer Dr Ambedkar frequently mentioned it in his writings as example of degradation of brahmanical culture. Early western translators of the epics purportedly refused to translate this part (although the Bible is not less crude in some of its own episodes). It is all the more reason for us not to literally believe in the Ramayana or the Mahabharat, the safest and best way to accept our epics is the allegorical stance that Gandhi took of the Bhagavad Gita, all blood and gore is allegorical, all rituals are allegorical as well and may or may not have happened. If we prefer to keep the mental image of epics happening like movies and tv
    serials we are setting ourselves up for disappointment - although there is nothing really wrong in enjoying movies as they are.
     
    There are many allegorical interpretations of this ritual. It is not anything sweet or nice to discuss or understand. It is crude and difficult, there is no easy way around it.  I will post some interpretations if people still feel a need to learn more.
     
    Malathi
  • If I remember right the Rajasuya is a celebration after all other yagnas including Aswamedha. It is a declaration of the king as emperor followed by pomp and celebration with guest of honor. I will check on this more later today.
  • Hi
    i think the following would be of importance in this context

    Brihadaranyaka Upanishad
    Translated by Swami Madhavananda
    Published by Advaita Ashram, Kolkatta


    I-i-1: Om. The head of the sacrificial horse is the dawn, its eye the
    sun, its vital force the air, its open mouth the fire called
    Vaisvanara, and the body of the sacrificial horse is the year. Its
    back is heaven, its belly the sky, its hoof the earth, its sides the
    four quarters, its ribs the intermediate quarters, its members the
    seasons, its joints the months and fortnights, its feet the days and
    nights, its bones the stars and its flesh the clouds. Its half-
    digested food is the sand, its blood-vessels the rivers, its liver
    and spleen the mountains, its hairs the herbs and trees. Its forepart
    is the ascending sun, its hind part the descending sun, its yawning
    is lightning, its shaking the body is thundering, its making water is
    raining, and its neighing is voice.



    http://www.celextel.org/108upanishads/brihadaranyaka.html
  • Oh.. so much details.. fantastic. regards / sps

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