indian boomerang ...valai eri
  • hi

    the valai eri ( boomerang) plays a very important role in akilans
    vengaiyin mainthan..without going into much details....did we have
    boomerangs as part of our weaponry in the 10th C.

    http://www.rediboom.com/englisch/geschich/
  • i remember reading an article in Mr.Jaybee's website about the tamil weapon
    Valari. This is also a boomerang shaped weapon but it does not return. So
    the name Valari must have been concocted from Valai Eri. Knives were
    attached to the ends and then thrown at the enemy making it highly
    destructive and dangerous. Periya Marudhu (of Marudhu brothers) is said to
    have had the capability to throw the valari straight across the Theppakulam
    in Madurai. Quite a feat considering the size of the kulam and the weight of
    that weapon!!
  • hi sps sir

    nice of you to bring this up...in these days when everyone asks for
    proof that our heros were indeed heros..and not like 23ram pullikesi
    ( the painting episode)

    anyway, we do hear of superhuman feats ...even from the
    ramayana ..rama i think is said to be capable of shooting an arrow
    right though 5 full grown tree trunks, dasarata using just sounds to
    locate his targets and shoot them down....he is also said to have
    shot his arrows in rameshwaram ( the many wells)

    the buddha was once challenged to demonstrate his archery skills. He
    asked for five arrows, and shot four of them simultaneously in four
    directions in the sky. A raven flying high up momentarily found its
    way blocked everywhere. Then he shot his fifth arrow and brought
    down the confused raven. This episode is narrated in the text Kanjur
    Dulwa.

    and of course arjuna looking into the reflection and...chanced on
    this interesting article ( dont have the full one though ) but the
    concept is quite remarkable..the way they draw parallels

    The laparoscopic surgeon is trained to acquire advanced skills to
    perform the complicated laparoscopic surgery of the target tissue in
    a three-dimensional (3D) space by viewing its two-dimensional (2D)
    video image. This technique finds its parallel in a very ancient
    archery episode portrayed in the longest and the greatest Indian
    epic, Mahabarata. In this epic, Arjuna, the master archer, is
    required to employ the strategy of aiming at the eye of a target
    fish rotating above his head by viewing its reflected image below in
    water; of course, all this to win the hand of a beautiful princess!
    Arjuna is so trained that he cannot but excel in focusing his
    attention on his target. A comparative study of the laparoscopic
    surgeon and the ancient master archer is done in this paper with a
    view to throwing light on the interesting similarities between the
    archer and the modern laparoscopic surgeon with respect to training
    methods, skills, and techniques.
    http://www.springerlink.com/content/4632821633652763/
  • Hi Vijay kumar.s ,
    very interesting info indeed...
  • hi vijay;
    just for humor sake, how sure are you that the armor in Pudukottai museum is
    indeed the one worn by Kattabommmu? Maybe he was just 5ft tall and ensured
    that he got his ironsmith to make a huge armor so that future generations
    would think he is a bull (kaattu erumai in the words of our wonderful
    Vadivelu).
    Remember "Varalaaru miga mukkiyam amaichare"
    I hold a similar opinion about kalvettus and paintings of our maharajas. Do
    you really think a sculptor/painter/poet would be rewarded if he dint
    glorify the king. they had to make the king look larger than life else they
    risk loosing their life.
    Im not trying to say all our kings were like that but there must have been
    some really smart chaps. Infact if i were king i would probably want myself
    painted like a hero and want future generations talk only about my victories
    with some masala added. While this was being written i would be spending
    time in the anthapuram..who cares about bringing Ganga or winning wars. :)
    :) :)
  • Also, it is said, Chinna Maruthu favorite sport was to fight with a tiger
    bare handed
    and kill it.
  • Yes, Infact he had to fight tiger bare handed in Vathalaugundu to
    gain Tippu Sultans support.

    When Marudhu brothers along with Velunachiyar went to seek Tipu's
    support. Chinna Marudhu had to prove his valour to gain support.

    RjC!
  • dear rahul

    you did well by clausing your initial statement...for humor sake. I
    take your side ...kings are too precious to lead upfront in battle
    and in most cases they held together their vast lands by surrounding
    themselves with good hands and not by encasing themselves in iron.
    Unfortunately our later year maharajas did exactly this...read the
    maharajas of india, by ann morrow of the later ( princely states
    during british rule)....you will see their leelaigal...portly, 50
    year old, physcially jestor like maharajas dancing with petite
    damsels of europe, maharajas keeping ( and wining) bets like who
    will deflower the maximum vi....ns in a year, importing lions from
    africa because their hunting grounds did not have them in enough
    number, using the largest diamond in the world as a paper weight,
    parading around completely naked except for a diamond brocade as a
    show of kingly masculinity.....a complete silver ensemble train set
    that could serve dinner to your guests.....

    but dont beleive you can bring in RRC/RJC in similar vein....you
    could possibly get away with murder in your state, but for you
    disperse these false propaganda across a region as far away as
    indonesia///china...they were truely great. the big temple and GKC
    temple were superhuman efforts built to crown their fantastic
    feats...feats that make you sit up and think...what bade them on
    this path...reminded of this...dreams are not what you get in your
    sleep, dreams are what make you loose your sleep.

    vj
  • honestly i have my doubts...a full grown tiger weighs close to 300
    kgs..can jump as high as 16 ft and as far 30. i grew up on kim
    corbett and his accounts clearly show that a tiger can decapitate a
    full grown male with one swipe, leave alone the claws which are
    designed to hold on to prey, they use it to pull down bison, hold on
    to elephant hide and even hit juvinile rhinos...also the tiger
    almost always locks on to the neck/windpipe and its canine teeth are
    configured to severe the spine in one bite...i have heard accounts
    of them carrying livestock and even human bodies weighing over 80
    kgs without even a drag mark ( meaning lifting the carcass right off
    the ground) so as to avoid traces which might bring in hyenas / wild
    dogs. they can even jump fences while carrying these heavy loads of
    upto 7 ft..the Champawat Tiger (the first bag of corbett)was
    responsible for 436 documented deaths in india and it was said to
    have come in from bangladesh ( god knows how many it took there)
    plus the scores of people who went missing without a trace ( eaten
    completelY)....these claims ....comeon bare hands...must have been a
    pulli kutti..
    vj
  • hi vijay;
    refer your below mail wrt the tiger episode. "Varalaaru Miga mukkiyam
    amaichare"
  • While talking about valour, iron armour...

    In Jaipur museum, a lot of items belonging to the Rajput kings are
    kept. One thing which I remembe very well is the sword and shield of
    rana pratap singh. Sword weighs 5kgs and shield a 6kg. Meaning, in
    two arms Rana pratap singh used to lift 11 kgs and used to fight.
    Apart from this, he must be having armours, helmets, arm gaurds, leg
    gaurds, wht not.....

    And if I remember correctly, Raja Mann sing's pyjama...atlest 10 of
    my size can get it. so big was his waist size :)

    so in the same dynasty one was a sapatu raman and grew his belly
    while the other could lift 11kgs to fight. Or like 'varalaaru miga
    mukkiyam amaichare' kind of stuff...he just made those and never
    used it or rather he never went to wars and sent out only his
    commanders to fight...:)
  • -In ponniyin selvan pungkuzhali fights a cheetah with a shark bone
    and kills it.

    i always feel kalki missed a golden opportunity while not including
    that episode directly in pS and letting pungkuzhali describe it as a
    incident in the past

    venketesh
  • incidentally a man beat a tiger last week. phil micelson beat tiger
    woods....

    but if you really want to see the genius in the man look at this shot

  • yes, how did we miss it....it was kind of scary....but i thought it
    was more to do with the effect..to scare VD...the kollivai pisasu
    etc....in tune with her "detached" attitude. but again she did it
    with a tool...vj
  • You must read the obituary reports in newspapers eulogising the
    departed souls. Our press is no different.

    Sampath
  • She makes vanthiyathevan stay in a cave where she had evicted the
    former resident with a shark bone.

    pungkuzhali is not only a manifestation kalki's democratic outlook.
    she was also the bravest.

    venketesh
  • Talking of myths, my sister once mentioned to me (when I was a school kid)
    that she heard from
    some one that Hight of Rama was 9 feet and Lakshman was 8 feet. Was their
    height mentioned
    in Valmiki or Kamba ramayana?
  • very close to kodikarai is a small hillock looking into the sea. on
    it is a foot print -ramar patham.
    the size is so big a man with that print should have been the height
    you mention


    aanaa paavam . lakshmanan ingkeyum oru adi kullamaa?
  • Do know that his arms were so long ( when being described as a avid
    archer) that they reached his knees.....enabling him to draw the bow
    to maximum
  • Sir, there are many things our mightier and much stronger
    predecessors did and not possible for us. Taking a simple example of
    ilavattakkal, every one believes that it was used for army
    selection. And you can see them at many old temples and other
    places. Because we cannot even move it, we cannot say, no body could
    have lifted it.

    Look at the doors of new houses, the thickness of the wood kept on
    decreasing, and still we put in efforts to close them. And now we
    have come to plastic products (Mr.Chandra don't get angry :o)), may
    be future generations will find it tough to close the plastic doors,
    as well.

    RjC!
  • http://www.hindu.com/2007/10/12/stories/2007101259460200.htm

    Statues all set to travel to Madurai



    Special Correspondent



    To be unveiled by Karunanidhi









    SYMBOL OF PRIDE: Bronze statues of Marudu brothers to be installed
    in Madurai.

    THANJAVUR: Two nine feet bronze statues of Marudu brothers, each
    weighing a tonne, have been sculpted by the sthapthis of Swamimalai
    in Thanjavur district.

    Depicting the Marudu brothers — Chinna Marudu and Periya Marudu
    (Pandiyars) — on horses with their swords drawn, the statues will be
    installed at Teppakulam in Madurai. Chief Minister M. Karunanidhi
    will unveil them on October 31. Sthapthis, Radhakrishnan, Srikantan
    and Swaminathan ,handed over the statues to Pon. Muthuramalingam,
    chairman of the Mamannar Marudupandiyargal Thiruvuruva Silai Amaippu
    Kuzhu, on Wednesday.

    The statues would be transported to Madurai from here.

    Pon. Muthuramalingam said the brothers were the first to declare a
    war against the British in a declaration pasted at the Tiruchi
    Rockfort and Srirangam in1801. They formed an alliance with
    Kattabomman, Tippu Sultan, Kerala Verman, Krishnappa Naicker of
    Karnataka and Doondage Wagh. They sought Napoleon's support.

    The brothers were well-versed in `Valari (boomerang) warfare.'The
    brothers is said to have practised the art at the Teppakulam.

    Radhakrishnan sthapathi said it took six months to complete the two
    bronze statues.
  • >
    > Chozha Bronze is the Fitting Tribute to Marudhu Paandiyars -
    Freedom
    > Fighters ! More fitting is Soil's son of Thiruvarur unveiling it!
    >
    >

    Hi
    first I thought why madurai?
    it should have been kalayar koil where they made their last stand.
    but then madurai was the maruthu pandyas greatest conquest
    also in madurai more people could see and pay homage.

    and of course kalayar koil with its sky high towers and fort like
    walls itself stands as a tribute to the famous duo. what more do they
    need?
    to those who havent visited, kalayar koil is a shaivaite shrine( in
    your books it may be called as kanapper) which is intimately linked
    with the freedom struggle.

    another important event in the temple was that ranganathar idol when
    chased by the turkish army ( 14th century) stayed here even before
    thirupathi or melkote.
    kalayar koil is very close to madurai( a couple of housr drive) via
    sivaganga.
    venketesh
  • hi

    the brothers surrendered only when the british treatened to blow up
    the temple.

    anybody who sees the temple will realise why

    venketesh
  • > =====================
    >
    > Dear Venkat,
    >
    > Re KAALAYAR KOIL @ KAANAPPERIYIL : I recall having read that Marudhu
    > Bros raised a Fortress OVERNITE .. IN ABOUT 8 Hrs time .. using
    > Panancharu and sandy clay and the next morning British Cannons could
    > not penetrate this.
    =================================================

    Fortress in a overnite!! wasn't that build by oomaiturai?? i vaguely remember
    reading about that in my school days!!
  • I also guess so.
    kalayar koil was strengthened and used asa fortress by the
    maruthupandyas.
    the gopuram was then perhaps the tallest after sivilliputhur and
    madurai.
    one could see the towers of madurai 80 km away from its top they
    used to say. two ponds within the temple were always full of water.

    i will post fotos of it from my file today if I can find them.
    venketesh
  • " The boomerang (Sanskrit Rsti) occurs in the Maha-
    bharata. (JRAS, 1898, p. 379 ; J.A.S.B., 1924, p. 205).

    Huxley who presumed that the Australians were identical
    with the ancient inhabitants of the Deccan dwelt upon the
    ^existence of the Boomerangs in the two countries and upon
    some remnants of caste in Australia. The following note
    supplied to Thurston by the then Dewan of Pudukottah may
    be read with interest :

    11 The valari or valai tadi (bent stick) is a short weapon,
    generally made of some hard-grained wood. It is also some-
    times made of iron. It is crescent-shaped, one end being
    heavier than the other, and the outer end is sharpened. Men
    trained in the use of the weapon hold it by the lighter end .. "

    could refer from :


    ORIGIN AND SPREAD OF THE TAMILS
    (A COURSE OF TWO LECTURES DELIVERED
    UNDER THE SANKARA-PARVATI ENDOWMENT,
    UNIVERSITY OF MADRAS)

    BY
    V. R. RAMACHANDRA DIKSHITAR, M.A.,
    University of Madras

    THE ADYAR LIBRARY
    1947

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