• Dear Sathish,

    This posture is kind of doing dhyaanam. How can you expect a majestic
    look while meditating?

    How can you differentiate a marudhani and rekai in sculptures? If you
    see the akkamaalai in sculptures, it will not be hanging as it is
    really held by fingers. It will be shown above the fingers with
    complete round shape without holding anything. Because of that, we
    cannot say it is not akkamaalai. Only the features can be just shown
    in the sculptures. It need not be 100% realistic. But, at the same
    time, some realistic features are also there, like the mandai ottu
    maalai of ekaveeri pidaari in thiruvalanjuzhi.

    When you can accept a statue as Rajendra just because it is in
    panchavan madhevi pallippadai, why cant you accept this as Rajaraja
    when it shows the clear chakra marks as mentioned in thiruvaalangaadu
    copper plates? ;-)

    The features that venkatesh mentioned urna and elongated earlobes can
    be found in many sculptures. For ex, the hair style of the girls in
    nageswaran koil and the earlobes of dwarabalagas in thiruvalanjuzhi.
    Why other places? In Rajarajeswaram itself, some of the sculptures in
    the thiripuranthaka panel near the south entrance are similar to
    buddhists. And not all buddha statues have chakra in hands and lotus
    in the legs.

    Why cant you look at the possibilities? Why so much resistance in
    accepting it as Rajaraja ;-) When Rajaraja imagines himself as one of
    the sanakathi munivars and portrayed in the paintings, why cant he
    imagine himself as buddha? ;-)
  • Dear Kamal,

    very good argument but not convincing.

    SIVAPATHA SEKARAN....posing as Buddha... ? Then RRJ must be a split
    personality.

    A great shaivite who has built lots of shiva temple and the world
    famous Big temple, finding peace by becoming a buddist? That too
    after 29 years of undisputed rule? Then todays minority appeasement
    trend was started by RRJ 1000 years back? wow. Then we should not
    blame the current day politicians because its copied from history.

    Replying in your coin, is there any inscriptional evidence that RRJ
    became a buddist? Then how do you belive and whats the basis for you
    to belive?

    A dust covered diamond is still a diamond. A king whether sleeping
    or meditating is still a king. Just because he is meditating, his
    majesticity will not vanish. I am not sure whether the looks change
    during different emotions. Dr.Sri you are the better person to throw
    light on this with medical perspective.

    A king cannot not be without his crown or other kingly attire in
    front public even before the udayar in the temple.(which is your
    arguement for Tanajai paintings)But he can pose as buddha without
    any kingly attire? GREAT. I AM LEARNING A NEW WAY OF LOGICAL
    REASONING.

    Chola sculptors are very great in depecting anantomy - Words by
    Dr.KKVn. The best example we all saw - EKAVEERI in tiruvalanchuzhi.
    Such great sculptors show a chakra rekhai as the one shown in the
    photo?..I think RRC didnt give that sculptor his proper remuneration
    or his appraisal was not satisfactory :)

    You yourself clearly said in your mail that Just because a group
    feels the paintings in Tanjai koil as RRJ, you want to belive this
    Statue to be of RRJ.(yours words like "when we can belive that its
    RJC just because it is in panchavan madevi pallipadai). In that case
    no one can say anything. YOu have your own right to think whatever
    you feel.
    Panchavan madevi pallipadai and the tanjai painting can make one
    think the pictures/sculptures of RJc or RRC because its logically
    placed. But any evidence where this status which you call RRC was
    found from? And I am wondering, when you refuse to accept things
    which are logically placed, you are blindly beliving that a statue
    in a museum is of RRC.


    I was waiting that you will mail the group saying its a joke, but
    till date this arguement is unfinished. The new comers will surely
    be confused. Hence this mail. (atleast I am and a few others are
    clear that its Buddha :) )
  • Dear Friends,

    I think this is the time to end the drama. I was out of station for
    past 3 days and didnt check my mails. Otherwise i would have posted
    this mail earlier.

    I know very well that its Buddha. But i posted such a mail just to
    show that we should not accept any theory as fact by inadequate
    evidences. If everyone starts accepting something as facts based on
    their gut feelings and weak evidences, it will grow like branches and
    no single solution will be arrived at any time. At one point of time,
    we have to contradict ourselves.

    One such thing happened already in a conference. A well known scholar
    (i dont want to mention his name as his other valuable works may be
    under estimated by new people just because of this) found a skeleton
    in poompukar during an excavation. In his presentation, he said it is
    Kovalan's skeleton. When the other scholars asked for the proof, he
    said that skeleton itself told him.

    Diwakar,

    Regarding the sangu chakra rekai associated with Rajaraja, it is
    mentioned in Thiruvalangadu copper plates (Rajendra period, not
    Rajaraja) and they were not composed by poets to praise the king.

    Satish,

    The statue in Panchavan madhevi pallippadai is accepted as Rajendra by
    you. Not me. My words were, 'When you can...', since you said no fool
    will place the similar sculptures in two different places, when we
    visited that pallippadai.

    I think you haven't noticed the wink ;-) smileys in my previous mails.
    Anyway, its a lighter mail only and not intended to spoil anybody's
    belief or value.

    Thanks and hope everyone understands in the right way,
    Kamal
  • Group,

    In fact, I was the first one to react to Kamal's mail and I thought my mail did convey that Kamal had carried out a spoof. Never realised that there would be a detailed discussion on this:-))

    My boss reapeats this often, "Never under estimate the power of a good rumour". Now, I understand what he means.:-))

    Kamal! Neenga maatineenganaa tinnu kattiduvaanga. Abscond!!!!
  • kamal...

    good that it is mentioned in tiruvalangadu seppedu.. but it is
    rajendra who too is a bitter enemy of pandya. ... and very obvious
    that he wanted to assert the supremacy over pandyas.

    might not be any poet.. but "thadaadhagai - meenakshi" episode is
    the key factor.

    idhellaam kula maanam, kula perumai sambandha patta vishayam sir...
    kandippaaa meenakshi amman ghaandu irukkum....

    imagine people asking "veetila maduraiyaa illai chidambaramaa" ?
    madurai in pandya naadu.. chidambaram in chola naadu....

    kandippa that changu chakra regai and other things are assertions
    over pandyan pride and supremacy.

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