Dont let me beg for knowledge - Arunagiri - Kandaranuputhi
  • Hello Vairam

    In your explanation, the thunderbolt is wielded by Muruga and atop
    airavatham.

    Here are some facts, Indra was the vahanam (peacock) prior to the Lord
    granting that role to Suran.
    Airavatham's daughter is deva Kunjari (devayanai), an incarnate of
    Laxmi.
    When Indra offers himself as a vahana for the Lord, obviously, the
    posessions come under Muruga's asset management system.

    Suran, after the war, is not annihilated. He is infact taken over as
    the Flag and Vehicle, a feat that is performed by Lord Vishnu on his
    enemies.

    There is a lot more indepth to the Anubuthi, it takes a long deep look
    into how the master of words Guru Arunagiri has invoked the string of
    sentences and his choice of words too.

    It has to be read in sequence. How the mapping happens vs what in
    essence the anubuthi is, that is extremely critical in getting the
    knowledge inside.

    If I were to put it in a nutshell, anubuthi is bhagavat gita's essence
    in 51 verses in comparitively simple tamil.
  • Dear Ravi has made the FIRST STEP towards our dear Vairam !
    And touch-based Arunagiriar also.. very nice.


    Why Venkat alone, our dear Palaniappan Vairam also should be able to
    throw more light on Nagarathar discussions.

    thanks and greetings.

    fondly, sps
  • Hi Ravi,
    After your reply , I went through all old Sanskitic sources of
    Skanda Myth.
    My understanding here is in a historical point of view not in a
    philosophical point of view.
    All Murugan Myths can be classified as pre Sangam Myths and Post
    Sangam myths. There is vast difference between these two myths. One
    feature of the post sangam myths are that it is an amalgamation of the
    southern myths with the northern ones.
    Saying that , the pre sangam sanskritic myths are basically from
    Ramayan and Mahabaratha. There are diff Skanda Myth version in Ramyana
    as well as Mahabartha. Even though both these literature were written
    much earlier there were lot of interpolations and final version was
    compiled some time during 2-3rd AD in the Gupta Period. A period close
    to Tamil Sangam ages.

    The earliest Skanda myth occording to scholars occur in MahabarathaIII
    223-232.
    In this myth Agni is father of Skanda. Indra tries to slays him and he
    attacks with his vajra but it only cuts slice of Skanda's right side
    and hence a new god Viska is born out of those parts and becomes part
    of Skanda's army. He defeats Indra and Skanda is offered the post of
    Indra but he declines. He is then married to Deva Sena. Here there is
    no reference that Devasena is daughter of Indra. There is actually a
    refernce earlier that wife of Indra was Sena.

    Ramayana- Balakanda chapter 36-37
    There is no reference of his marriage or any gifts.

    Mahabaratha 9th book chapter 46 - 47
    This has the first reference that Skanda recived gifts form the gods,
    Indra gives Dart and banner(probably vajra was the dart)
    Siva - army of 30,000
    Sun - cock
    aruna - charioteer
    Garuda - peacock
    varuna - snake
    ganga - amirta
    Brahma - black deer skin

    Mahabaratha 13th book chapter 84-86
    Here also there is specific references to gifts,
    Garuda- peacock
    Aruna - cock
    Agni - ram
    moon - goat
    Varuna gives lot of animals - lion, tiger , including an elephant.

    Other than this Kumarasambhava is only other imp. Skanda myth. But
    dating of kalidasa is around 3-6th century. Which is after Tamil
    sangam age. Hence there are lot of probability for influence of
    southern myth.

    In all these northern myth, there is no exclusive reference with
    Skanda having an elephant as vahana. But there seems to be lot of
    alluded references that He might have had the Thunderbolt , vajra as
    his weapon.

    But in Sangam literature there are many exclusive references that
    Murugan's vahana was elephant. eg. Kurunthokai 1.

    The myth you have listed might have been a later literature so it
    would be extremely important to know the source of the myth you have
    listed and the dating of the myth.
  • Hello Vairam

    I have read these explanations earler from murugan.org, that is just
    one view of Skanda. My study is southern based. Most of the data is
    from Skanda purana and some from translation by Thiru Vaariyar
    Avargal. Some are my own analysis based on various readings and
    thirupugazh scripts.

    I had already mentioned in my earlier notes, skanda's / muruga /
    Karthikeya are different.

    What was mentioned below is a version of skanda, as a warrior God,
    one of the avataars of Paramasivan.

    Skaanda as Sanath kumara is a different avataar. There are two major
    classifications, one is of a warrior god other is as a supreme
    teacher.

    The agni mentioned as a father of Skanda , is symbolic, like Nanda
    for Krishna, when Shiva embodied himself in a cosmic flame, that was
    borne by Agni and Vayu as no other element could hear the radiance.
    Skanda has no birth, He is a manifestation.

    Many northern legends do not state the existance of Suran and almost
    all disagree on Valli. It would be like searching for Ravana in
    Narasmha avatar.

    There are many representations, each one has their own
    interpretations.

    There is also another theory that says Lord Krishna and Skanda are
    the same ( and I am not referring to the Gita's chapter 10 V 24).

    Thirupugazh has wealth of information on Skanda. It calls for a
    deeper study, a conclusion, I am sure, would be startling.

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